WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:01.680 --> 00:00:04.560 There is nothing wrong with your podcast streaming service. 00:00:05.010 --> 00:00:06.780 We now control your device. 00:00:07.050 --> 00:00:08.310 This is not a test. 00:00:08.430 --> 00:00:10.470 This is podcast of the paranormal. 00:00:10.830 --> 00:00:13.560 Close your curtains and stay away from your windows. 00:00:13.890 --> 00:00:14.970 Lock your doors. 00:00:15.060 --> 00:00:16.260 Turn off your lights. 00:00:16.560 --> 00:00:18.360 Get your snacks and drinks ready. 00:00:18.630 --> 00:00:20.490 Get to your basement or attic. 00:00:20.970 --> 00:00:23.130 The podcast is about to begin. 00:00:28.548 --> 00:00:29.998 Hi, my name is Paul Dulski. 00:00:30.078 --> 00:00:34.218 I am from Haunted, Vermont, and I've been doing this for almost 14 years now. 00:00:34.608 --> 00:00:36.048 And I like to collect stories. 00:00:36.108 --> 00:00:40.128 I sometimes go off and do solo investigations, which can be a bad 00:00:40.128 --> 00:00:44.988 thing or a good thing, but I do it in a safe way and I try to do my best 00:00:44.988 --> 00:00:49.098 to not piss off any spirit and until the next time, I guess that's it. 00:00:49.098 --> 00:00:50.298 Somebody can take over. 00:00:50.328 --> 00:00:51.798 But yeah, that's pretty much about it. 00:00:52.038 --> 00:00:54.768 I do my podcast and that's about it really. 00:00:54.888 --> 00:01:00.058 And right now, it's a slow season, so I'm trying to prep for my 2026 adventures 00:01:00.178 --> 00:01:04.278 and I guess until at a later date. 00:01:04.278 --> 00:01:09.038 You can follow along at hauntedvermont.org for everything that I do. 00:01:09.538 --> 00:01:15.568 I am, Gabrielle and I have been investigating probably since 2009. 00:01:15.628 --> 00:01:17.488 I started with a group in college. 00:01:17.908 --> 00:01:22.468 And I jumped back into it with Jody, probably around 2019. 00:01:22.828 --> 00:01:26.218 And we have a podcast called Podcast of the Paranormal. 00:01:26.608 --> 00:01:29.608 You can find us at podcast of the paranormal.com. 00:01:29.903 --> 00:01:30.323 What about you? 00:01:30.323 --> 00:01:31.223 I'm here for the ride. 00:01:31.223 --> 00:01:32.063 No, I'm the editor. 00:01:32.213 --> 00:01:34.973 I'm the editor and the tech guy, Gabrielle brought me into this. 00:01:35.209 --> 00:01:38.529 I didn't think it was something that I was really gonna enjoy at first, but 00:01:38.529 --> 00:01:39.759 then taking over my life a little bit. 00:01:39.759 --> 00:01:40.959 So as it does, 00:01:40.959 --> 00:01:43.216 I'm Heather Podcast is nvusalien.com. 00:01:45.476 --> 00:01:46.466 It's NVus Alien. 00:01:46.496 --> 00:01:46.826 Oh my gosh. 00:01:46.826 --> 00:01:47.666 It's NVus Alien. 00:01:47.876 --> 00:01:48.586 But the website is nvusalien.com. 00:01:50.039 --> 00:01:53.369 I've been investigating since 2006 or oh seven. 00:01:53.869 --> 00:01:55.249 I've written some books. 00:01:55.249 --> 00:02:00.579 I'm doing a documentary, I'm investigating doing some seances on top of buildings, 00:02:00.579 --> 00:02:02.019 but yeah, that's what I'm doing. 00:02:02.476 --> 00:02:07.006 I am Stephanie and I co-host Heather's podcast, sometimes. 00:02:07.506 --> 00:02:12.836 We talk a lot about conspiracy theories and random topics, whatever 00:02:12.836 --> 00:02:14.336 comes up that we wanna talk about. 00:02:14.756 --> 00:02:18.703 I pretty much learned all of my skills from Heather and 00:02:18.703 --> 00:02:21.403 somehow I got pulled into this. 00:02:21.876 --> 00:02:22.656 Yeah, I don't know. 00:02:22.716 --> 00:02:26.406 I like the paranormal investigating part and I'm a newbie. 00:02:26.406 --> 00:02:28.296 I've only been doing it a few years. 00:02:28.416 --> 00:02:29.106 I say a few years. 00:02:29.106 --> 00:02:30.096 It's six years now. 00:02:30.596 --> 00:02:32.836 But yeah, I don't know what else to say. 00:02:32.836 --> 00:02:34.456 You would not classify that as a newbie? 00:02:34.956 --> 00:02:35.456 No. 00:02:35.814 --> 00:02:36.444 Technically. 00:02:36.474 --> 00:02:39.284 My experience, where when I was young, but I took it more 00:02:39.284 --> 00:02:42.284 of a serious approach in 2012. 00:02:42.784 --> 00:02:48.294 But really, it was just the experiences prior and some of the photos, Heather, 00:02:48.294 --> 00:02:49.929 you seen one of the photos, anyway, 00:02:50.169 --> 00:02:50.409 yeah. 00:02:50.619 --> 00:02:54.549 That's what kind of inspired me to really also see what the hell is out there 00:02:54.549 --> 00:02:56.799 in this crazy world that we live in. 00:02:57.189 --> 00:03:00.539 Well that's our next question is what got you into the paranormal 00:03:00.659 --> 00:03:01.679 and Stephanie, you can't say me. 00:03:02.179 --> 00:03:03.229 I'll find another answer. 00:03:03.559 --> 00:03:03.859 Okay. 00:03:04.359 --> 00:03:05.469 What got you guys into the paranormal? 00:03:05.469 --> 00:03:06.339 What do you think? 00:03:06.594 --> 00:03:08.364 I grew up in a haunted house. 00:03:08.874 --> 00:03:14.761 I had probably, I was like four or five and I had a watcher 00:03:14.761 --> 00:03:18.571 spirit who would stand outside my bedroom and he would just watch me. 00:03:18.571 --> 00:03:21.241 He seemed like he was like out of time, like he wasn't in the 00:03:21.241 --> 00:03:22.801 right clothing for the time. 00:03:23.278 --> 00:03:26.728 He did that for a few years and then he went away and there were some 00:03:26.728 --> 00:03:30.418 other spirits in the house throughout, like the whole time I lived there. 00:03:30.808 --> 00:03:33.988 I don't think I've ever lived in a house that didn't have some type of activity. 00:03:34.451 --> 00:03:38.141 My mom was interested in the paranormal and my grandmother was 00:03:38.141 --> 00:03:40.691 interested, like she used to watch Dark Shadows when I was a kid. 00:03:41.031 --> 00:03:43.664 It's just always been a part of who I am. 00:03:43.994 --> 00:03:47.704 I think for me, it was just when I was a kid growing up, you grew up with 00:03:47.704 --> 00:03:50.074 the TV shows and that's what you knew. 00:03:50.501 --> 00:03:53.291 So it was a bunch of kids in the woods doing some dumb things, 00:03:53.791 --> 00:03:55.201 going into abandoned buildings. 00:03:55.231 --> 00:03:58.451 We had quite a few of them with some, great local legends in the area. 00:03:58.951 --> 00:04:01.261 Should mention we're from the northeast PA area. 00:04:01.381 --> 00:04:01.621 Yeah. 00:04:02.051 --> 00:04:06.138 But, yeah the thing that really got me into it was Gabrielle in 2019, she 00:04:06.288 --> 00:04:10.024 noticed that there was a local group that was offering investigations 00:04:10.024 --> 00:04:11.704 at a pretty reasonable price. 00:04:12.034 --> 00:04:15.528 They'd rent a place out for the night and they'd have what, 20, 30 people 00:04:15.528 --> 00:04:16.998 there, and they'd split up into groups. 00:04:16.998 --> 00:04:20.718 It was really organized, so I really attached to that, the organization 00:04:20.718 --> 00:04:23.298 that they had people, five or six people splitting up into a different 00:04:23.328 --> 00:04:24.678 room, where do you want to go first? 00:04:24.678 --> 00:04:28.223 Teams, and then they eventually started routing teams off at 00:04:28.223 --> 00:04:30.533 certain times throughout the night time slots throughout the night. 00:04:30.533 --> 00:04:34.263 And I just, I got really into it and I learned some of the methods that they 00:04:34.263 --> 00:04:35.853 were using, the devices they were using. 00:04:35.943 --> 00:04:39.991 And at this point, when we started pulling a little team together, what 00:04:39.991 --> 00:04:45.691 really got us going was we saw a antlered shadow entity in the woods. 00:04:45.691 --> 00:04:48.871 And I think that's what kicked off the podcast, really. 00:04:49.364 --> 00:04:51.284 We wanted to take it a little further and then 00:04:51.404 --> 00:04:51.704 Yeah. 00:04:51.704 --> 00:04:53.084 It kinda helps change our perspective. 00:04:53.084 --> 00:04:53.384 Yeah. 00:04:53.884 --> 00:04:55.324 Can add in to that. 00:04:55.324 --> 00:04:59.184 When I was young, I remember my dad kind of sharing some like interesting 00:04:59.224 --> 00:05:04.386 stories, like one with a UFO, something about a UFO taking a cow or something, 00:05:04.446 --> 00:05:08.826 and something about a bigfoot where it was like a private camp. 00:05:09.202 --> 00:05:13.342 And that's really all I can remember besides the fact that the Bigfoot 00:05:13.342 --> 00:05:18.939 story was like a, it wasn't like a, your normal hunting cabin. 00:05:18.939 --> 00:05:23.571 It was like a two floor almost looked like a regular house that you would 00:05:23.571 --> 00:05:28.377 see, but they called it the cabin, and I guess there was a tree outside, 00:05:28.877 --> 00:05:32.447 like a regular tree that you would see out on your, like your sidewalk. 00:05:32.477 --> 00:05:33.017 Basically. 00:05:33.017 --> 00:05:36.077 It was like one of those, like a crab apple or whatever, and 00:05:36.197 --> 00:05:38.867 those are like 10 feet tall. 00:05:39.167 --> 00:05:43.397 Apparently this dark figure was standing next to this tree and it was almost 00:05:43.487 --> 00:05:47.327 about as tall as the tree was, but they couldn't see any details on it. 00:05:47.327 --> 00:05:51.277 They could just only see like the silhouette of it because of the fact 00:05:51.277 --> 00:05:53.347 that they were inside with the white on. 00:05:53.377 --> 00:05:58.177 So it created like that effect where you saw this great big black bloob 00:05:58.177 --> 00:06:03.027 basically, but it almost acted like it was just standing there and almost 00:06:03.027 --> 00:06:07.227 like staring into it, almost observing what was going on into the cabin. 00:06:07.707 --> 00:06:11.757 That's about as far as much as I can remember from what my dad used to tell me. 00:06:11.757 --> 00:06:12.687 When did I get into it? 00:06:12.687 --> 00:06:13.707 I got into it. 00:06:14.207 --> 00:06:15.257 That's a great question. 00:06:15.257 --> 00:06:16.577 I don't have the answer. 00:06:16.637 --> 00:06:17.867 Oh, like when did I get into it? 00:06:18.377 --> 00:06:21.737 I've always been into the weird part of it, like, uh, it's face 00:06:21.737 --> 00:06:26.397 on Mars and like Egypt stuff and the pyramid and stuff like that. 00:06:26.897 --> 00:06:29.757 So I think it's just a natural progression that you move into ghosts. 00:06:29.777 --> 00:06:30.807 Yeah, that sounds right. 00:06:30.847 --> 00:06:35.657 And then I don't know, I just started, I think really though, I don't know 00:06:35.657 --> 00:06:40.797 why a lot of people say this, like I was into it where like I would do 00:06:40.797 --> 00:06:44.657 my own little investigations and play with things, but there's something that 00:06:44.667 --> 00:06:46.827 happened when Ghost Hunters got on tv. 00:06:46.887 --> 00:06:47.877 Like it made it, 00:06:47.877 --> 00:06:48.087 Yeah. 00:06:48.177 --> 00:06:50.317 more serious or something. 00:06:50.317 --> 00:06:53.057 Or, oh, this is actually a valid hobby. 00:06:53.357 --> 00:06:55.609 This is not something that I'm just, 00:06:55.609 --> 00:06:56.384 you get paid for. 00:06:56.779 --> 00:06:56.989 Yeah. 00:06:56.989 --> 00:07:00.792 It's like not something I just made up in my head or something that I just knew. 00:07:01.002 --> 00:07:03.412 I think I took myself more seriously after that. 00:07:03.412 --> 00:07:05.832 Like I took the whole idea of it more serious. 00:07:06.342 --> 00:07:11.226 But yeah, I think it just, like I said, a natural progression of, ooh, weird stuff. 00:07:11.726 --> 00:07:13.706 I think I should look for ghosts now and then. 00:07:13.766 --> 00:07:19.466 Then it turns into fairies and goblins shadow people and whatever else shows up. 00:07:19.487 --> 00:07:22.859 If I can just add to what you were saying real quick about Ghost Hunters. 00:07:22.879 --> 00:07:28.369 That's what me and my friends used to watch and I think what we can also take 00:07:28.369 --> 00:07:33.352 away from Ghost Hunters, not only did it spark that they, I don't know a good 00:07:33.352 --> 00:07:37.072 term right now or a good word for this, but would just say the topic of the 00:07:37.072 --> 00:07:42.656 paranormal and made it say like, Hey, if they can do this, we can do this too. 00:07:42.746 --> 00:07:42.806 Yeah. 00:07:42.806 --> 00:07:48.122 So it popularized it in a way, but it also helped with the idea 00:07:48.122 --> 00:07:50.042 that not everything is paranormal. 00:07:50.042 --> 00:07:52.652 It could be like squeaky pipes, it could be this and that. 00:07:52.652 --> 00:07:53.732 So not everything is 00:07:54.032 --> 00:07:54.282 a ghost. 00:07:54.422 --> 00:07:54.512 Right? 00:07:54.512 --> 00:07:59.062 So I think that also helped because I think that's why like back when my buddy 00:07:59.062 --> 00:08:05.142 and I from his farmhouse, we started to basically try to debunk everything 00:08:05.142 --> 00:08:09.012 that we possibly could, as long as there was some sort of logic to it. 00:08:09.012 --> 00:08:13.932 But the night where we all moved around in the bed, we could, there's no way 00:08:13.932 --> 00:08:18.192 you can debunk that because basically the debunking would just be, if anybody 00:08:18.192 --> 00:08:19.902 got up in the bed, we would all feel it. 00:08:20.082 --> 00:08:21.192 No, there's no way. 00:08:21.192 --> 00:08:22.512 It's to fake that. 00:08:22.842 --> 00:08:27.732 But we'd, none of us could feel us getting up and moving around because 00:08:27.732 --> 00:08:32.672 otherwise either A, you're gonna trip and fall, the covers is gonna cover 00:08:32.672 --> 00:08:34.682 up somebody's face or something. 00:08:34.712 --> 00:08:39.092 Basically, either way, there's some sort of army crawl to the end of the bed. 00:08:39.572 --> 00:08:42.152 Some sort of movement that's gonna be like, Hey. 00:08:42.652 --> 00:08:45.772 I know you moved last night, but when something like that happens, 00:08:45.772 --> 00:08:47.752 then you don't have an explanation. 00:08:47.992 --> 00:08:49.642 But that's what we used to do though. 00:08:49.732 --> 00:08:52.312 We used to just debunk it, think to ghost hunters. 00:08:52.379 --> 00:08:53.784 I think it's natural to start there. 00:08:54.064 --> 00:08:54.924 like everybody starts. 00:08:55.104 --> 00:08:57.204 For me, it wasn't really ghost hunters, it was Paranormal 00:08:57.204 --> 00:08:58.914 State, if you guys remember that. 00:08:59.174 --> 00:08:59.824 I remember Paranormal State, yeah. 00:08:59.934 --> 00:09:00.174 Yep. 00:09:00.654 --> 00:09:00.984 Yeah. 00:09:01.104 --> 00:09:02.334 But that's where really started for me. 00:09:02.334 --> 00:09:03.894 That's where I started getting interested in the ghost stuff. 00:09:04.394 --> 00:09:06.404 And I didn't take it seriously at first. 00:09:06.459 --> 00:09:07.574 I, I just, I really didn't. 00:09:07.664 --> 00:09:10.889 I was the one that, I tried to debunk it first, and here I am years later. 00:09:11.092 --> 00:09:13.522 Everything on Paranormal State was a demon, I swear. 00:09:13.702 --> 00:09:14.002 Yeah. 00:09:14.315 --> 00:09:14.915 Everything. 00:09:15.209 --> 00:09:15.449 Yep. 00:09:15.765 --> 00:09:16.725 What about you, Stephanie? 00:09:17.225 --> 00:09:18.635 I've always been curious. 00:09:19.135 --> 00:09:22.555 There's, there's always been an interest in the paranormal that I 00:09:22.555 --> 00:09:24.475 didn't really focus on any of it. 00:09:24.835 --> 00:09:30.205 There's more of the spiritual side of things as to how I got into, this 00:09:30.205 --> 00:09:34.075 is more on the spiritual side, but I do remember that my older kids, when 00:09:34.075 --> 00:09:37.975 they were little, they used to watch some sort of show that was on demand. 00:09:38.425 --> 00:09:44.605 It was a Canadian show for kids and they put kids in to haunted locations with 00:09:44.605 --> 00:09:48.535 all kinds of equipment and then just let 'em walk around to see what happened. 00:09:48.715 --> 00:09:52.165 And my kids used to watch that, but I never really watched any 00:09:52.165 --> 00:09:54.595 of the other paranormal shows. 00:09:54.705 --> 00:09:55.755 But I don't watch tv. 00:09:56.069 --> 00:10:02.529 It's more just playing and experimenting for me, just to see what will happen. 00:10:02.529 --> 00:10:05.989 There was a show with Chip Coffey called psychic Kids. 00:10:06.289 --> 00:10:07.069 Was that in it? 00:10:07.392 --> 00:10:08.712 No, they weren't psychic. 00:10:08.787 --> 00:10:09.557 Oh really? 00:10:09.557 --> 00:10:10.217 Yeah, that wasn't, 00:10:10.352 --> 00:10:10.572 No. 00:10:10.642 --> 00:10:11.132 Yeah, that. 00:10:11.177 --> 00:10:13.397 I remember that one that you're talking about though, Heather. 00:10:13.457 --> 00:10:13.637 Yeah. 00:10:13.727 --> 00:10:15.107 That was with not Cliff. 00:10:15.137 --> 00:10:16.007 What is his name? 00:10:16.277 --> 00:10:16.917 Chip Coffey. 00:10:17.387 --> 00:10:17.837 Thank you. 00:10:17.927 --> 00:10:18.557 Yeah, chip. 00:10:18.677 --> 00:10:22.307 I remember that one because he was the one that would mainly hosting in that, 'cause 00:10:22.307 --> 00:10:28.007 he was trying to teach the kids how to use the abilities while also shielding 00:10:28.007 --> 00:10:29.937 themselves from the world in a way. 00:10:29.937 --> 00:10:30.294 Yeah. 00:10:30.294 --> 00:10:33.814 And that was a really popular show, but they did give him equipment and stuff. 00:10:33.814 --> 00:10:36.464 But I wonder, I'm curious about this show now. 00:10:36.464 --> 00:10:36.734 Yeah. 00:10:36.734 --> 00:10:37.748 I'm trying to look it up. 00:10:38.071 --> 00:10:39.361 Ghost Trackers. 00:10:39.751 --> 00:10:42.452 Oh, I used to watch that show sometimes. 00:10:42.452 --> 00:10:44.762 I didn't watch it a lot, but I know what you're talking about. 00:10:44.972 --> 00:10:45.482 Yeah. 00:10:45.482 --> 00:10:47.592 Taylor was totally into it. 00:10:47.592 --> 00:10:47.692 I forgot about 00:10:47.692 --> 00:10:49.097 He would sat there and watch it, 00:10:49.097 --> 00:10:49.381 that show 00:10:49.881 --> 00:10:50.631 all the time. 00:10:51.131 --> 00:10:51.311 Wow. 00:10:51.811 --> 00:10:52.171 Okay. 00:10:52.171 --> 00:10:54.358 Now you're bringing like stuff back. 00:10:54.858 --> 00:10:56.508 Be right back Plugged in this charger. 00:10:56.929 --> 00:10:58.939 What's everybody else been doing this weekend? 00:10:59.166 --> 00:10:59.976 Anything exciting? 00:11:00.265 --> 00:11:01.793 Oh, nothing exciting. 00:11:02.094 --> 00:11:03.534 No, it's that time of year. 00:11:03.594 --> 00:11:03.894 Yeah. 00:11:03.944 --> 00:11:05.064 In-between seasons 00:11:05.094 --> 00:11:05.694 what's coming? 00:11:05.694 --> 00:11:07.169 So you're just trying to conserve energy? 00:11:07.669 --> 00:11:10.886 Honestly, Between October and through what? 00:11:10.886 --> 00:11:11.396 January? 00:11:11.636 --> 00:11:11.966 Yeah. 00:11:12.232 --> 00:11:13.192 We just didn't stop. 00:11:13.569 --> 00:11:16.456 Just between the holidays and trips and Yeah. 00:11:16.516 --> 00:11:17.506 I enjoyed the downtime. 00:11:17.506 --> 00:11:18.136 Yeah, me too. 00:11:18.542 --> 00:11:18.762 Okay. 00:11:18.762 --> 00:11:19.842 We had a birthday party. 00:11:20.078 --> 00:11:20.602 Oh yeah that's right. 00:11:20.602 --> 00:11:21.552 You had a birthday party, huh? 00:11:21.709 --> 00:11:22.039 Nice. 00:11:22.439 --> 00:11:22.739 Yeah. 00:11:23.042 --> 00:11:25.627 Bunch of 10-year-old boys is exciting. 00:11:25.717 --> 00:11:26.317 A lot of fun. 00:11:26.567 --> 00:11:27.312 Lot of fun. 00:11:27.562 --> 00:11:28.432 It's a lot energy. 00:11:28.932 --> 00:11:32.922 I can actually chime in real quick, Heather, to your comment about being 00:11:32.922 --> 00:11:34.692 interested with Egypt actually. 00:11:34.692 --> 00:11:38.982 So that was my thing too with school, like when I, anytime I got to learn 00:11:38.982 --> 00:11:44.742 about the Egyptians and the weird history of how the pyramids were made 00:11:44.742 --> 00:11:46.572 and being mummified and all that. 00:11:46.992 --> 00:11:51.212 And then come to find out that like 47 I would say 50 minutes just to 00:11:51.212 --> 00:11:55.112 be on the safe side, but 50 minutes from where I am currently right now. 00:11:55.502 --> 00:12:00.632 There, there's a cemetery in Middlebury that is a grave for an 00:12:00.722 --> 00:12:02.999 Egyptian baby here in Vermont. 00:12:03.226 --> 00:12:03.626 Woah. 00:12:04.126 --> 00:12:04.486 Wow. 00:12:04.806 --> 00:12:05.286 Yeah. 00:12:05.286 --> 00:12:13.296 So the story is this old collector bought this baby's ash or baby, mummy. 00:12:13.506 --> 00:12:20.474 And then he had it brought to New York or something and then he like. 00:12:20.727 --> 00:12:25.047 Brought it to be like in the museum to be displayed or something, but because 00:12:25.047 --> 00:12:30.627 of the fact that it got ruined from the ship, a go figure that he stuffed it 00:12:30.627 --> 00:12:32.701 up in the attic and forgot about it. 00:12:33.144 --> 00:12:36.957 So anyway, this guy passes away. 00:12:37.261 --> 00:12:42.921 So then the new owner of the house, or however the story goes, 00:12:43.234 --> 00:12:45.514 basically finds the mummy's body. 00:12:45.934 --> 00:12:49.894 And originally they were going to just throw him away in the garbage. 00:12:50.394 --> 00:12:51.474 That was the idea. 00:12:51.594 --> 00:12:56.994 And so the town was just like, how about we just cremate him and just bury him? 00:12:57.384 --> 00:12:58.614 And so that's what they did. 00:12:58.614 --> 00:12:59.794 Oh my god. 00:12:59.794 --> 00:13:05.824 But he was the son of a king from Egypt. 00:13:06.227 --> 00:13:12.124 I just all nice with the almost throw away a dead person, like 00:13:12.624 --> 00:13:15.164 kid that is, yeah, remain. 00:13:15.164 --> 00:13:21.064 But not just that, but a king's like dead son, like a king of Pharaoh basically. 00:13:21.214 --> 00:13:21.424 Yeah. 00:13:21.424 --> 00:13:24.914 That, that, that doesn't say would put a curse on you or nothing. 00:13:25.194 --> 00:13:25.974 I know, right? 00:13:26.474 --> 00:13:31.324 The sad, the downside to this though is I don't really, I haven't 00:13:31.324 --> 00:13:32.674 even shared this really well. 00:13:32.674 --> 00:13:40.077 I have and then I haven't, but, so anyway, in 2022 I wanted to make 00:13:40.077 --> 00:13:43.887 some video for the 10th anniversary for hundred Vermont and he would one of them 00:13:44.387 --> 00:13:47.597 because I just thought it would really interesting that we had a Egyptian baby. 00:13:48.017 --> 00:13:52.217 But anyway, in the video I said because of the stone being so old, maybe we 00:13:52.217 --> 00:13:57.437 could get like a new plaque or some sort of stone to help represent the kid. 00:13:57.617 --> 00:14:00.197 The, because if we're gonna, what do we have? 00:14:00.227 --> 00:14:03.447 This ashes of a Egyptian person, baby. 00:14:03.897 --> 00:14:06.537 Over here where it should even belong. 00:14:06.927 --> 00:14:11.067 Then maybe we should, I don't know, maybe make sure he's not forgotten, which is 00:14:11.307 --> 00:14:13.797 what Middlebury was trying to actually do. 00:14:13.797 --> 00:14:17.967 We're trying to make it so that he was forgotten, which I thought was stupid. 00:14:18.467 --> 00:14:23.567 So anyway, long story goes into, I found this group that supposedly supposed 00:14:23.567 --> 00:14:28.571 to be one of the best cemetery group people, whatever, yada ya, tried to 00:14:28.571 --> 00:14:30.311 reach out to them about this grave. 00:14:30.731 --> 00:14:36.904 Long story short, within two hours I was banned from the group for no reason and 00:14:36.904 --> 00:14:42.804 come to find out that a year later that this kid, or yeah, this baby's grave 00:14:43.304 --> 00:14:46.424 had been taken down and re and remade. 00:14:46.664 --> 00:14:49.934 Only problem is, that's not what I was trying to ask. 00:14:50.434 --> 00:14:52.774 I wasn't trying to get the original stone on. 00:14:52.804 --> 00:14:54.844 I was only trying to like, like a veteran. 00:14:54.964 --> 00:14:56.764 They have it with a plaque or something. 00:14:56.769 --> 00:14:59.096 That's all I wanted just to be like. 00:14:59.382 --> 00:15:02.142 Hey, this is who's here because it's so old you couldn't really 00:15:02.142 --> 00:15:05.702 read it that well unless you got like that really good writing. 00:15:05.912 --> 00:15:11.432 But what was cool about the old stone was there was some Egyptian symbols where 00:15:11.522 --> 00:15:16.449 with within it, and there was even like a Christian Cross obviously, but that 00:15:16.449 --> 00:15:20.169 was just because of the fact that the people wanted that there kind of thing. 00:15:20.619 --> 00:15:24.669 But they still respected the Egyptian thing with the two other symbols. 00:15:24.999 --> 00:15:29.946 So again, with this new stone or slab, should I say, they 00:15:30.246 --> 00:15:31.746 completely took away the symbol. 00:15:31.746 --> 00:15:35.856 So all it just says is the baby's name basically like his 00:15:35.856 --> 00:15:37.716 ashes buried here basically. 00:15:37.716 --> 00:15:37.776 Yeah. 00:15:38.276 --> 00:15:42.856 And I only know about this was because one of my followers had reached out to 00:15:42.856 --> 00:15:46.906 me and said, Hey, I don't know what's going on, but the stone for this kid 00:15:46.906 --> 00:15:49.876 that you're talking about, or baby that you're talking about is gone. 00:15:49.876 --> 00:15:50.822 And I'm like, what? 00:15:51.172 --> 00:15:55.232 And looked at my other half and I was just like, my. 00:15:55.732 --> 00:15:56.452 For my family. 00:15:56.452 --> 00:15:59.512 And I was just like, next time we go to Middlebury, we need to check this out. 00:15:59.542 --> 00:16:02.872 We need to get this sorted to make sure what the hell is going on. 00:16:02.872 --> 00:16:05.962 And that's when I saw the New Stone or the new slab. 00:16:06.202 --> 00:16:10.851 So it's not even, I don't know, I think they should have left the old Stone and 00:16:10.851 --> 00:16:15.231 just made like a plaque or a smaller slab that basically said like what they 00:16:15.231 --> 00:16:20.784 have now, but without taking away the original stone that's been there for ages. 00:16:20.784 --> 00:16:25.764 And yeah, I don't know, it just bummed me out because if it wasn't for the fact that 00:16:25.764 --> 00:16:31.624 I would ban by this group, I don't think the old stone would've been taken out. 00:16:31.624 --> 00:16:35.794 But God forbid, for whatever reason, I would banned just for asking about this. 00:16:35.794 --> 00:16:36.394 And that's all. 00:16:36.394 --> 00:16:38.344 It was just, Hey, could we maybe do this? 00:16:38.344 --> 00:16:39.084 And then I was banned. 00:16:39.084 --> 00:16:40.074 This crazy story. 00:16:40.496 --> 00:16:40.736 Yep. 00:16:40.736 --> 00:16:41.821 Way to get yourself banned. 00:16:42.321 --> 00:16:42.801 I know. 00:16:43.304 --> 00:16:44.094 Who else is banned? 00:16:44.594 --> 00:16:45.574 Who else has been banned? 00:16:46.074 --> 00:16:46.344 Yeah. 00:16:46.844 --> 00:16:47.474 Raise your hand. 00:16:47.754 --> 00:16:48.474 That's hilarious. 00:16:48.774 --> 00:16:52.665 One of the questions that I was gonna ask is, okay, so remember 2007, 00:16:52.665 --> 00:16:57.525 2006 I think is when Ghost Hunters came on and there was a huge deal. 00:16:57.805 --> 00:16:58.345 Huge. 00:16:58.345 --> 00:17:02.032 It was like the thing that everybody talked about was, is 00:17:02.032 --> 00:17:07.072 it only equipment or do psychics have a place in the paranormal? 00:17:07.072 --> 00:17:08.185 Do you remember this? 00:17:08.395 --> 00:17:08.662 Yes, oh yeah. 00:17:08.722 --> 00:17:09.452 This was a thing. 00:17:09.452 --> 00:17:13.172 I remember like only the chick can deduce whether or not 00:17:13.172 --> 00:17:14.252 there's paranormal activity. 00:17:14.349 --> 00:17:17.602 Oh, forget the whole aspect of like spiritualism. 00:17:17.602 --> 00:17:19.242 We'll just knock that right out. 00:17:19.602 --> 00:17:23.408 Now buy and large, most mediums were women, so we'll just make 00:17:23.408 --> 00:17:25.568 it a patriarchal bullshit thing. 00:17:25.608 --> 00:17:29.558 And I remember being a psychic investigator going, huh? 00:17:30.055 --> 00:17:32.065 Because that's all I really knew. 00:17:32.562 --> 00:17:34.242 How do you feel about it now? 00:17:34.272 --> 00:17:39.182 Do you think that there's still a like divide between like psychic paranormal 00:17:39.312 --> 00:17:45.878 investigators and tech investigators or skeptics or do you think in the last 00:17:45.878 --> 00:17:50.268 20 years we've ah, stopped being dick but like there is my opinion on it. 00:17:50.768 --> 00:17:51.068 Yeah. 00:17:51.392 --> 00:17:55.507 I think the line is, I think it's all blend together, if You asked me. 00:17:55.537 --> 00:17:55.787 Yeah. 00:17:55.868 --> 00:18:00.468 I think it's a combination of tech and psychology, that's where the 00:18:00.468 --> 00:18:02.808 psychic part comes in, I think. 00:18:02.808 --> 00:18:09.212 I think it's you're using a combination of ITC devices and your brain 00:18:09.212 --> 00:18:11.472 basically blending this stuff together. 00:18:11.472 --> 00:18:12.372 So it's almost like. 00:18:12.682 --> 00:18:14.482 I see a lot of techno psychics now. 00:18:14.965 --> 00:18:18.245 When you think about things like the Estes method, the Ganzfeld 00:18:18.375 --> 00:18:19.725 experiment, stuff like that. 00:18:20.175 --> 00:18:24.232 From the traditional sense of psychics, I honestly, where 00:18:24.232 --> 00:18:25.612 did you get started in that? 00:18:25.793 --> 00:18:26.873 The US Do me directly? 00:18:26.993 --> 00:18:27.803 Yeah, I am. 00:18:27.803 --> 00:18:28.103 Yeah. 00:18:28.108 --> 00:18:28.298 Yeah. 00:18:28.463 --> 00:18:31.873 'cause I, it's not, it's out of my, that's outta my wheelhouse. 00:18:31.873 --> 00:18:35.873 So when I started, I didn't use equipment at all, ever. 00:18:36.373 --> 00:18:40.330 I had a video camera and a audio recorder, and I would talk into 00:18:40.330 --> 00:18:43.390 the audio recorder, but usually I just heard the answer in my head. 00:18:43.683 --> 00:18:46.353 And then I would just use the audio recorder as valid- verification, 00:18:46.853 --> 00:18:49.193 but seeing like even this weekend. 00:18:49.693 --> 00:18:50.203 Investigating. 00:18:50.203 --> 00:18:52.633 I saw so many people with dowsing rods, which I was like, oh, 00:18:52.633 --> 00:18:54.223 when did that become like, okay. 00:18:54.523 --> 00:18:56.563 Because I used to use dowing rods all the time, and I used 00:18:56.563 --> 00:18:57.793 to get total flack for it. 00:18:57.823 --> 00:18:58.783 Oh, you can't do that. 00:18:58.783 --> 00:19:00.703 That's some folklore, superstition, bullshit. 00:19:00.703 --> 00:19:01.213 You know what I mean? 00:19:01.723 --> 00:19:03.733 And like I also used to use tarot cards. 00:19:04.003 --> 00:19:05.736 People thought that was like, whoa, 00:19:05.796 --> 00:19:07.296 that's the devil. 00:19:07.370 --> 00:19:07.686 Yeah. 00:19:08.186 --> 00:19:08.456 Yeah. 00:19:08.456 --> 00:19:11.906 I think that why I'm asking the question is because I just wonder, do we still 00:19:11.906 --> 00:19:15.236 have that sort of, because there are a lot of techno bros out there. 00:19:15.296 --> 00:19:15.986 Let's face it. 00:19:16.196 --> 00:19:20.486 Every day we have a new spirit box or we have a new, like even this weekend, 00:19:20.486 --> 00:19:23.486 like I said, there were so many tech bros out there with this new device 00:19:23.486 --> 00:19:25.076 that I created I was like, good for you. 00:19:25.576 --> 00:19:30.406 I was just gonna say, not just that, but one of the, I don't know how new 00:19:30.406 --> 00:19:34.606 it is, but for me, it seems, even with your phones nowadays, there's a new 00:19:34.606 --> 00:19:37.936 Ghost app or some sort of app now, and. 00:19:38.273 --> 00:19:40.283 I just got a quick story I can share. 00:19:40.283 --> 00:19:43.103 I can vouch with this, but I'm skeptical when it comes to the 00:19:43.103 --> 00:19:44.393 apps and that type of stuff. 00:19:44.398 --> 00:19:44.458 Mm-hmm. 00:19:44.603 --> 00:19:49.320 But like last year, friend of mine now, but at the time, he had been on 00:19:49.320 --> 00:19:54.570 my podcast because he had a story to share about this app and what he had 00:19:54.570 --> 00:19:59.730 captured, and a place that I had been to like at the time of last year, 00:19:59.820 --> 00:20:02.520 it would've been 12 years from 2025. 00:20:02.520 --> 00:20:05.935 But anyway, so the point to this is oh, you're trying to get into it. 00:20:06.355 --> 00:20:09.295 I can show you a couple cool places that you've never heard of. 00:20:09.295 --> 00:20:14.865 And yeah, long story short, went to this particular cemetery and he had 00:20:14.865 --> 00:20:20.381 his app on and it started to say stuff that was very interesting to me. 00:20:20.561 --> 00:20:25.481 And at the time I did not record it because unfortunately it was raining. 00:20:25.828 --> 00:20:30.631 So I wish it was, but he at least sent me some screenshots 00:20:30.631 --> 00:20:32.301 of what this app had said. 00:20:32.801 --> 00:20:36.666 Just for, I could have it for the backup of the post that I had 00:20:36.666 --> 00:20:42.206 made later on, which was, again, interesting because some of the stuff 00:20:42.206 --> 00:20:46.016 that came through this app, now this is where I get skeptical about it. 00:20:46.046 --> 00:20:50.606 Did this app actually know what the hell was actually in the cemetery prior? 00:20:50.666 --> 00:20:53.186 Did it get some sort of data or something? 00:20:53.486 --> 00:20:56.306 Or did this thing really legitly? 00:20:56.336 --> 00:21:00.566 Get somebody basically talking through this app, picking out certain words. 00:21:00.846 --> 00:21:05.046 And that's where I try to get into this like, well, was it real or fake? 00:21:05.336 --> 00:21:09.296 I did try to reach out to the company actually that made this particular 00:21:09.296 --> 00:21:11.036 app, but of course no avail. 00:21:11.036 --> 00:21:15.430 Never heard back, but I just saw it Interesting because. 00:21:15.710 --> 00:21:19.160 Just to share real quick, and after this is all said and done, I will send you 00:21:19.160 --> 00:21:24.560 guys the post that I had made so you can actually see the, the research that I 00:21:24.560 --> 00:21:30.560 did, how, like the validations of photos that I had taken just to through some 00:21:30.560 --> 00:21:32.510 of the stuff that this app has said. 00:21:32.510 --> 00:21:37.453 But just to give you some examples for this little segment right here, we ended 00:21:37.453 --> 00:21:39.950 up getting a name, which was Theresa. 00:21:40.310 --> 00:21:42.980 I'm gonna butcher the last name right now, but we didn't get a last 00:21:42.980 --> 00:21:48.460 name at the time, and I only been to this particular cemetery because 00:21:48.460 --> 00:21:50.140 it had a grave with a window in it. 00:21:50.230 --> 00:21:53.320 That's what the cemetery had known for because this guy was buried 00:21:53.320 --> 00:21:56.470 there because he was afraid of being buried alive basically. 00:21:56.890 --> 00:22:01.910 So he made like this huge plot, how to say, or lot, whatever, 00:22:02.300 --> 00:22:05.670 and he basically made it so that he had furniture down there. 00:22:05.710 --> 00:22:10.123 A hammer with a window at the top of his grave so he could smash 00:22:10.123 --> 00:22:13.963 it to yell out for help if he were to awaken, if he was buried. 00:22:14.463 --> 00:22:19.293 Anyway, long story short, there was some other responses that came through, like 00:22:19.383 --> 00:22:23.513 angel blacksmith table, stuff like that. 00:22:23.513 --> 00:22:26.723 Stuff that I didn't really think of, because again, I just knew where this 00:22:26.723 --> 00:22:32.393 grave was and didn't really take the time to walk through this whole cemetery ever 00:22:32.393 --> 00:22:34.223 really, just to see what else is there. 00:22:34.223 --> 00:22:40.416 But, so anyway, what was interesting is for the table, now, I don't know how 00:22:40.416 --> 00:22:44.316 accurate this is, but this, I put it in my head when I saw it afterwards, 00:22:44.346 --> 00:22:50.270 was that there was a table in this particular cemetery, but it was like 00:22:50.556 --> 00:22:55.086 a gravestone, but it was weighed out like a table because it was big, 00:22:55.086 --> 00:22:58.416 and I'm assuming it was just because it fell down and they didn't want to 00:22:58.536 --> 00:23:02.076 stand it back up to possibly fall over again and break is what I'm assuming. 00:23:02.576 --> 00:23:06.386 Anyway, so that's when we were like, okay, maybe this is what it means by table. 00:23:06.680 --> 00:23:12.170 Blacksmiths, I found out on the next day after I went back with my 00:23:12.170 --> 00:23:17.073 lady and stuff, see if she could help me, point me into maybe trying 00:23:17.073 --> 00:23:18.963 to find this Theresa that showed up. 00:23:19.463 --> 00:23:23.550 So we ended up finding a grave that had a blacksmith's anvil on it. 00:23:23.650 --> 00:23:25.030 Which I thought was interesting. 00:23:25.510 --> 00:23:30.520 We found an angel of like the small little statue of an angel at a grave. 00:23:30.520 --> 00:23:32.980 So we're just like, maybe that's what they mean by angel. 00:23:33.310 --> 00:23:38.020 Come to find out though, this Theresa also, as if it just was the same 00:23:38.100 --> 00:23:42.630 still person was wondering if we could see her and the response actually 00:23:42.630 --> 00:23:44.820 came through saying, am I dead? 00:23:45.300 --> 00:23:46.440 And I was just like, oh boy. 00:23:46.940 --> 00:23:53.940 And what I think of putting this together after doing my research, which is. 00:23:54.178 --> 00:23:58.708 I don't think Theresa realized she had died because when I tried looking for her 00:23:58.708 --> 00:24:01.191 death certificate, I could not find it. 00:24:01.488 --> 00:24:07.155 There's no record online or anything like at all about any sort of 00:24:07.155 --> 00:24:09.315 death certificate for this lady. 00:24:09.815 --> 00:24:15.131 And what I find interesting is that she died at the age of 19 on January, 00:24:15.413 --> 00:24:20.398 1918, something, I can't think off the top of my head, but her husband 00:24:20.398 --> 00:24:25.595 at the time died a few years after she did, and he died from tuberculosis 00:24:25.975 --> 00:24:29.228 and he was like 20, 26 I think. 00:24:29.728 --> 00:24:30.958 So it's very interesting. 00:24:31.458 --> 00:24:36.138 So again, it just makes me question that app, but also at the same time 00:24:36.138 --> 00:24:40.788 it was just like, man, that's pretty spot on with how accurate this is. 00:24:41.058 --> 00:24:44.958 There was some other funny responses too, but I'll save that for the post. 00:24:45.048 --> 00:24:47.213 But yeah, I just thought that was a really interesting. 00:24:47.213 --> 00:24:51.413 I hear him saying, oh, I like, I feel like psychically it was legit, but then 00:24:51.413 --> 00:24:55.243 I question apps, so I'm like, okay. 00:24:55.333 --> 00:24:58.363 But it kind of, it kind of goes like one kind of goes into the other. 00:24:58.363 --> 00:25:02.983 In my mind goes, are you influencing the app or is the app just pre-programmed? 00:25:02.983 --> 00:25:03.553 Do you know what I mean? 00:25:04.003 --> 00:25:05.713 That's exactly what I've been wondering. 00:25:05.713 --> 00:25:05.773 Yeah, 00:25:05.773 --> 00:25:10.090 And to touch on your question now, Heather, I don't know, I feel like 00:25:10.120 --> 00:25:14.980 some psychics get a bad rap and then there's some where they are 00:25:14.980 --> 00:25:17.950 probably just in it for the dough. 00:25:17.950 --> 00:25:21.640 I'll just say like the one that probably researched beforehand to 00:25:21.640 --> 00:25:23.350 be like, yeah, I know this much. 00:25:23.380 --> 00:25:27.280 They try to fake their way into it, whereas that's what's making the 00:25:27.280 --> 00:25:31.570 bad rap for the ones that actually take it more serious because they 00:25:31.570 --> 00:25:35.743 are the one, the real one, as I can say, that kinda like you Heather. 00:25:35.803 --> 00:25:36.343 Anyway. 00:25:36.403 --> 00:25:37.843 How often now? 00:25:38.203 --> 00:25:42.433 Do we even hear about the police even using psychics for a missing 00:25:42.433 --> 00:25:44.563 person or something like that. 00:25:44.593 --> 00:25:47.503 I feel like, for me anyway, it's been a while. 00:25:47.833 --> 00:25:52.063 I don't know how you much, you guys have maybe have heard of that around your 00:25:52.063 --> 00:25:58.933 area, but I know for somebody like me in the northeast, farther here, I can't 00:25:58.933 --> 00:26:03.313 really say that I've heard anything recent when it comes to the police using like a 00:26:03.313 --> 00:26:08.803 medium or something for assistance or some type of way to get a clue or something. 00:26:09.006 --> 00:26:13.626 But otherwise, I feel like yes, there is people that are legit and then there's 00:26:13.636 --> 00:26:18.143 some where you might want a second opinion and I'm gonna have a cat showing up. 00:26:18.643 --> 00:26:19.133 Alright, 00:26:19.633 --> 00:26:20.053 that's right. 00:26:20.053 --> 00:26:22.243 If you see Gabrielle looking over here, it's at the right. 00:26:22.393 --> 00:26:24.163 Every so often, that's what's going on. 00:26:24.663 --> 00:26:25.200 Cat. 00:26:25.580 --> 00:26:26.240 Oh yeah. 00:26:26.240 --> 00:26:26.250 Yeah. 00:26:26.750 --> 00:26:27.740 We have one of those too. 00:26:28.026 --> 00:26:30.156 To answer the psychic question, I feel like. 00:26:30.455 --> 00:26:33.605 You have to go all the way back to spiritualism because I feel like that's 00:26:33.605 --> 00:26:35.045 what you have to do for all of this. 00:26:35.045 --> 00:26:35.345 Right? 00:26:35.615 --> 00:26:39.875 Go back to when this started and when you think about what a psychic 00:26:39.935 --> 00:26:44.425 was, what a medium was during spiritualism, they all were coming 00:26:44.425 --> 00:26:46.075 out and being found to be fraudulent. 00:26:46.575 --> 00:26:51.795 And I feel like that stain follows psychic mediums now even into the present. 00:26:52.295 --> 00:26:56.605 And I don't know how we overcome that stigma and help people understand that 00:26:56.605 --> 00:27:01.465 there really is value in using someone who genuinely has these abilities. 00:27:01.465 --> 00:27:02.395 Because I agree with Paul. 00:27:02.395 --> 00:27:06.805 There are people who just tried to take advantage and still just like they 00:27:06.805 --> 00:27:08.605 were very back in the Victorian time. 00:27:08.965 --> 00:27:11.215 There are people that will take advantage, but there are people 00:27:11.215 --> 00:27:13.015 who genuinely have these gifts. 00:27:13.375 --> 00:27:14.515 Yeah, there's bad actors at every. 00:27:14.815 --> 00:27:15.175 Yeah. 00:27:15.175 --> 00:27:19.065 But yeah, I always look at it as, I never consider myself psychic. 00:27:19.565 --> 00:27:21.485 I will never consider myself psychic. 00:27:21.485 --> 00:27:23.575 It's that I don't believe in that stuff. 00:27:23.575 --> 00:27:25.535 It's just I don't think it fits for me. 00:27:26.035 --> 00:27:29.985 But I have started paying attention to that, I guess we'll call 00:27:29.985 --> 00:27:31.275 it a sixth sense, if you will. 00:27:31.775 --> 00:27:32.865 When we were in investigations. 00:27:33.188 --> 00:27:36.458 We were at an investigation and we were there pretty much the whole night. 00:27:36.488 --> 00:27:38.588 We weren't getting much, we, I shouldn't say that. 00:27:38.588 --> 00:27:42.508 We got some pretty, neat EVPs, but it wasn't until I said 00:27:42.935 --> 00:27:45.645 something's really interesting with those stairs over there for me. 00:27:45.645 --> 00:27:47.985 I don't know what it is, there's a draw to it, and as soon as we 00:27:47.985 --> 00:27:51.515 started investigating the stairway, that's when we started getting hits. 00:27:51.831 --> 00:27:54.885 So I think there's something going on there. 00:27:54.885 --> 00:27:57.405 I think all humans have that ability to sense something. 00:27:57.405 --> 00:28:00.405 It's just whether or not you are willing to pay attention to it. 00:28:00.765 --> 00:28:02.835 And it's like anything else, it's like riding a bike. 00:28:02.895 --> 00:28:03.975 You have to learn it. 00:28:03.975 --> 00:28:06.915 If that's something you want to pursue, it's something you have to learn 00:28:07.125 --> 00:28:09.015 And then that's the problem nowadays. 00:28:09.285 --> 00:28:11.900 I, and I'll touch to that too just for a second, is. 00:28:12.400 --> 00:28:16.780 When I talked to Heather for a podcast with her about the, the weird picture 00:28:16.780 --> 00:28:22.490 that my buddy took when I asked him to take a picture of me, basically I could 00:28:22.550 --> 00:28:27.233 almost sense something and I was just like, Hey, can you take a picture more? 00:28:27.263 --> 00:28:30.713 My left, his right and this thing came up in the picture. 00:28:30.953 --> 00:28:37.503 What I find interesting nowadays is when I go to a place I almost feel 00:28:37.503 --> 00:28:42.233 like I, I don't want to say I'm less sensitive, but it does feel like that way. 00:28:42.353 --> 00:28:45.173 And I don't know if that's just because there's way too much 00:28:45.236 --> 00:28:48.596 technology, cell phone, crap waves. 00:28:48.601 --> 00:28:53.491 Maybe that would be what it is, but something feels like it's blocking your 00:28:53.788 --> 00:28:59.125 vibration, your frequency, to really fully allow yourself to commit to it, 00:28:59.321 --> 00:28:59.711 I think. 00:29:00.041 --> 00:29:03.941 'Cause I do think everybody has that sixth sense. 00:29:04.381 --> 00:29:12.151 Of being able to sense something, because even back in 2013 when I would filming 00:29:12.541 --> 00:29:16.861 for the first time of acting in a short film kind of thing, we were actually at 00:29:16.861 --> 00:29:19.381 a legit, haunted place during the day. 00:29:19.881 --> 00:29:23.968 But there was one moment where I was in the building by myself, and I 00:29:23.968 --> 00:29:28.298 turned around and it looked like in this place, it, it almost seemed 00:29:28.298 --> 00:29:33.921 like these little kid legs and feet were forming in front of me, almost 00:29:33.921 --> 00:29:36.705 like this little girl was wearing. 00:29:36.765 --> 00:29:40.048 I say little girl, because that's what it looked like to me, especially with 00:29:40.048 --> 00:29:44.383 the way the old shoe with the buckle, I don't know what you call that anymore, 00:29:44.833 --> 00:29:48.406 but like the little shoe that kind of had that buckle, that's what it looked 00:29:48.406 --> 00:29:49.966 like to me, what that I was seeing. 00:29:49.966 --> 00:29:52.846 I'm just like, okay, I'm gonna go back down there. 00:29:52.846 --> 00:29:52.966 Yeah. 00:29:53.296 --> 00:29:56.656 Whatever's going on here, I'm not in the mood for this right now. 00:29:57.156 --> 00:29:57.756 Kind of thing. 00:29:57.756 --> 00:30:03.426 But I just feel like after being around so much technology, maybe 00:30:03.426 --> 00:30:09.056 that's what I'm trying to say, is maybe it's affecting my vibration too much. 00:30:09.206 --> 00:30:14.190 And that's why sometimes like when we were talking earlier, before this, you 00:30:14.190 --> 00:30:17.700 know, you were mentioning sometimes like taking a break or the downtime 00:30:17.700 --> 00:30:19.560 is like the best time to relax. 00:30:19.663 --> 00:30:24.133 And I totally agree because otherwise you need to recenter yourself because 00:30:24.133 --> 00:30:27.386 otherwise, pretty soon everything's gonna be paranormal to you. 00:30:27.416 --> 00:30:31.946 Every little sound you and you don't want to get to that point like I did. 00:30:31.976 --> 00:30:35.696 I got to that point and I had to back off for two years 00:30:35.726 --> 00:30:37.286 because it was just that bad. 00:30:37.766 --> 00:30:41.456 And then when I finally rebalanced myself, that's when I wanted to come back. 00:30:41.576 --> 00:30:45.853 But yeah, I don't know, maybe it's just the way the vibrational 00:30:46.003 --> 00:30:49.183 frequencies of the world had changed. 00:30:49.183 --> 00:30:53.083 Especially with, like I said, all technology and the cell phone waves. 00:30:53.583 --> 00:30:58.203 Because with 2000, yeah, I would say like 2011 would still 00:30:58.203 --> 00:30:59.853 be like the flip phone era. 00:31:00.093 --> 00:31:02.133 It wasn't like what we have now, for sure. 00:31:02.510 --> 00:31:02.750 Yeah. 00:31:02.803 --> 00:31:04.033 But yeah, that's my take on that. 00:31:04.273 --> 00:31:04.903 What do you think Steph? 00:31:05.403 --> 00:31:06.033 I don't know. 00:31:06.536 --> 00:31:06.916 Okay. 00:31:07.113 --> 00:31:07.423 Yeah. 00:31:07.423 --> 00:31:12.846 I started what, 2020, and when I started investigating it was with you, Heather, 00:31:13.346 --> 00:31:17.906 so we always used the psychic component. 00:31:17.906 --> 00:31:19.406 It wasn't just all tech. 00:31:19.723 --> 00:31:25.874 So I don't really have any comparison to not having that as a component. 00:31:26.374 --> 00:31:26.704 Okay. 00:31:26.704 --> 00:31:27.484 Yeah, that makes sense. 00:31:27.984 --> 00:31:29.064 I don't really either. 00:31:30.094 --> 00:31:35.021 I was just thinking about it because, okay, yesterday we did a seance. 00:31:35.171 --> 00:31:35.441 Okay. 00:31:35.898 --> 00:31:37.578 We didn't have any tech on the table. 00:31:37.578 --> 00:31:38.898 It was just literally like. 00:31:39.396 --> 00:31:39.966 Channeling, right? 00:31:39.966 --> 00:31:44.703 It was everybody's like tuning into the energy and then moving the energy. 00:31:44.973 --> 00:31:46.653 whatever we came up with, we came up with. 00:31:47.109 --> 00:31:50.529 And it was just so interesting because then the dichotomy of that 00:31:50.889 --> 00:31:54.099 was when we started the investigation, like the official investigation. 00:31:54.459 --> 00:31:56.559 So we have all these people on all these floors, right? 00:31:56.896 --> 00:31:59.956 And I sat there and I was like, it was so weird. 00:32:00.406 --> 00:32:02.536 It's just fricking blinky lights. 00:32:03.036 --> 00:32:07.896 We have K2s and we have ghost meters, which I use, but then we have those long 00:32:07.896 --> 00:32:09.221 strings of, I don't know, they're not 00:32:09.721 --> 00:32:10.471 trip wires. 00:32:10.561 --> 00:32:12.181 Always malfunction, the trip wires. 00:32:12.181 --> 00:32:13.411 Yeah, the trip wires. 00:32:13.681 --> 00:32:16.675 And then we have the octopus, I think it's called with the, 00:32:17.111 --> 00:32:17.551 Ah, yep.. 00:32:18.061 --> 00:32:22.501 We have those on the floor and we have these little bells that go ding bell. 00:32:23.001 --> 00:32:24.591 They're EMF detectors. 00:32:24.898 --> 00:32:26.368 So we have that going on. 00:32:26.693 --> 00:32:27.903 And then, and then, 00:32:27.903 --> 00:32:29.223 how many REM-Pods? 00:32:29.373 --> 00:32:30.683 Oh yeah, we had so many REM-Pods. 00:32:30.813 --> 00:32:31.253 Oh my God. 00:32:31.563 --> 00:32:35.279 And then on top of that, there's, what else was there? 00:32:35.685 --> 00:32:38.835 Ghost tube is the one that everybody uses, right? 00:32:38.985 --> 00:32:39.105 Yeah. 00:32:39.105 --> 00:32:42.855 So everybody's got their ghost tube on and then on top of that, then 00:32:42.855 --> 00:32:44.465 there's these grids everywhere. 00:32:44.725 --> 00:32:46.915 These people have, the green grids everywhere. 00:32:47.432 --> 00:32:49.682 And so everywhere, like every floor. 00:32:49.682 --> 00:32:51.092 I went there in every room. 00:32:51.092 --> 00:32:53.612 They were like all, and I was just like 00:32:54.082 --> 00:32:55.342 Sensory overload. 00:32:55.402 --> 00:32:55.852 Yeah. 00:32:55.852 --> 00:32:58.552 I was like, you were, is this really necessary? 00:32:58.552 --> 00:33:03.665 Because like for me, the best investigation that I had all weekend 00:33:04.149 --> 00:33:07.299 at this paranormal conference thing was the one where it was 00:33:07.299 --> 00:33:10.092 me, three other people in a room. 00:33:10.302 --> 00:33:14.182 We had a recorder, a ghost meter, and EMF. 00:33:14.182 --> 00:33:14.512 That's it. 00:33:14.759 --> 00:33:15.005 Yeah. 00:33:15.475 --> 00:33:19.105 We just sat in the middle of the room with the lights off. 00:33:19.555 --> 00:33:22.289 Somebody put the grid on the wall eventually, but 00:33:22.649 --> 00:33:23.969 we didn't actually use it. 00:33:23.999 --> 00:33:25.859 I liked just to meditate off. 00:33:25.919 --> 00:33:27.389 We were using like a sky. 00:33:27.869 --> 00:33:28.919 We weren't actually like, using it. 00:33:29.189 --> 00:33:31.919 And we all just sitting on the floor just, Hey, what's up? 00:33:32.009 --> 00:33:33.779 Do you wanna talk to us? 00:33:33.785 --> 00:33:38.369 Eventually we put on a spirit box, but then we turned off the spirit box like 00:33:38.369 --> 00:33:39.959 right away because this isn't working. 00:33:40.459 --> 00:33:45.679 But the most activity we got was just the blinky lights on the K2. 00:33:45.769 --> 00:33:48.259 One for, yes, two for no, kind of thing and, 00:33:48.264 --> 00:33:48.334 Yeah. 00:33:48.709 --> 00:33:50.209 We got most of our information that way. 00:33:50.569 --> 00:33:54.199 And it was just so like confusing for me because then we went down to 00:33:54.199 --> 00:33:59.319 another floor and like those octopus things were all over the floor. 00:33:59.369 --> 00:34:03.692 There was a K2 meter on every table, octopus on the floor and then 00:34:03.692 --> 00:34:05.952 like more ghost meters and stuff. 00:34:06.072 --> 00:34:08.322 I thought it was just like, is this necessary? 00:34:08.322 --> 00:34:09.372 I don't even know. 00:34:09.372 --> 00:34:10.152 I don't know. 00:34:10.632 --> 00:34:11.932 Is that spirit communication? 00:34:11.972 --> 00:34:15.772 Is it, who are we really talking to, so that's why I wonder because it just 00:34:15.772 --> 00:34:22.222 feels, to me anyway, it feels like tech takes over and we lose the ability for the 00:34:22.222 --> 00:34:28.482 critical thinking and for the like feeling into our body and going, is this real? 00:34:28.482 --> 00:34:31.212 Because just because the dingy ding dings, 00:34:31.695 --> 00:34:31.965 Yeah. 00:34:32.085 --> 00:34:33.225 Doesn't mean anything. 00:34:33.225 --> 00:34:36.729 Just because the K2 goes off doesn't mean anything, to me. 00:34:36.729 --> 00:34:39.639 Yeah, that's a thing that drives us nuts, honestly, when 00:34:39.639 --> 00:34:41.289 you're in public investigations. 00:34:41.689 --> 00:34:43.619 And people are walking around with a K2 meter. 00:34:43.619 --> 00:34:45.539 Like it's that thing from Ghostbusters. 00:34:45.569 --> 00:34:46.169 Oh, yeah. 00:34:46.169 --> 00:34:47.129 Talking about, yeah. 00:34:47.239 --> 00:34:50.629 We did a public investigation with the local group that we have. 00:34:50.839 --> 00:34:51.169 Yeah. 00:34:51.259 --> 00:34:55.579 And they had like some celebrity guests, so we wanted to go 00:34:55.579 --> 00:34:56.539 to investigate with them. 00:34:56.832 --> 00:35:01.152 And so we had invested, we had got a group with two people. 00:35:01.152 --> 00:35:04.655 They were a couple as well, they had two robots. 00:35:04.755 --> 00:35:07.875 It was such a difficult night. 00:35:08.145 --> 00:35:11.685 We couldn't really enjoy ourselves because everything we were doing, this guy is 00:35:11.685 --> 00:35:13.365 off in the corner with these robots 00:35:13.725 --> 00:35:14.895 and they chat the whole time. 00:35:14.925 --> 00:35:15.255 Yeah. 00:35:15.255 --> 00:35:16.125 They're just, they're talking 00:35:16.175 --> 00:35:20.455 like little furbies and they're moving, they're like hitting 00:35:20.455 --> 00:35:21.835 things, bumping into people. 00:35:21.835 --> 00:35:24.235 He's admitting he doesn't even know how to use them. 00:35:24.539 --> 00:35:29.429 And then he's at a point where he's saying he's getting contact from the spirit. 00:35:29.709 --> 00:35:31.529 Because the things, what were they doing? 00:35:31.529 --> 00:35:32.819 They were moving on their own. 00:35:32.819 --> 00:35:33.029 But 00:35:33.029 --> 00:35:37.199 yes, they were like reacting till you get too close and they move away from you. 00:35:37.439 --> 00:35:40.319 Like it was, oh my God, it was so difficult. 00:35:40.319 --> 00:35:44.912 If it's, if it's IR or if it's light activated, like there's cars driving by. 00:35:44.912 --> 00:35:47.192 There could be shadows being tossed all over the room. 00:35:47.192 --> 00:35:49.142 Those things can be falling shadows around. 00:35:49.142 --> 00:35:51.042 So it was just, they didn't know how to use them. 00:35:51.042 --> 00:35:52.452 They didn't because they didn't know how they worked. 00:35:52.512 --> 00:35:55.692 Like if you're gonna use a piece of kit, you have to know how it works. 00:35:55.902 --> 00:36:00.725 The K2, we use those to find electrical issues in buildings. 00:36:00.999 --> 00:36:02.709 That's what we use 'em for most of the time. 00:36:02.979 --> 00:36:07.029 If we're seeing it ping off like crazy, I'm walking around the room and I'm 00:36:07.029 --> 00:36:09.729 looking and I'm trying to figure out, move around the room and figure out where 00:36:09.729 --> 00:36:13.929 the wifi router is or like the, the wifi node or bad wiring or something like that. 00:36:13.929 --> 00:36:17.612 And a lot of the times it's just, there's high voltage wiring for 00:36:17.612 --> 00:36:20.132 a air conditioner with the air conditioner kicking on and off. 00:36:20.132 --> 00:36:20.972 And that's what you get 00:36:20.972 --> 00:36:21.902 Yeah, that night. 00:36:21.902 --> 00:36:22.832 Oh my god. 00:36:22.832 --> 00:36:24.042 You seem a little triggered there huh?. 00:36:24.092 --> 00:36:28.462 We had to, there were like, with this group, like he had mentioned, you'll 00:36:28.462 --> 00:36:31.732 rotate right throughout the different like areas that you're investigating. 00:36:32.062 --> 00:36:34.852 So there was one room that was large enough that we could separate 00:36:34.852 --> 00:36:37.612 ourselves from them and be on like one portion of the room. 00:36:37.792 --> 00:36:40.052 And they were buying themselves, playing with their robots that 00:36:40.062 --> 00:36:41.152 they didn't even know how to use. 00:36:41.542 --> 00:36:45.022 And we were just like, oh my God, I can't, it needs to end. 00:36:45.292 --> 00:36:46.222 This needs to end. 00:36:46.722 --> 00:36:48.432 And then we're in with the group. 00:36:48.642 --> 00:36:52.652 'cause there's times where like the group is with you and they're trying to do like 00:36:52.652 --> 00:36:57.542 an audio, like EVP recording and this guy has the robots in the corner making noise. 00:36:57.542 --> 00:37:01.125 I'm like, oh my God, I can't, this cannot end quick enough. 00:37:01.789 --> 00:37:02.149 Yeah. 00:37:02.209 --> 00:37:02.809 You have that. 00:37:02.839 --> 00:37:06.039 You might as well throw out that voice recorder then, because everything will 00:37:06.039 --> 00:37:08.109 be contaminated because of the robot. 00:37:08.519 --> 00:37:08.819 Yeah. 00:37:08.819 --> 00:37:12.228 I wonder how much of what people think they got over the weekend 00:37:12.228 --> 00:37:15.820 is actually just air conditioning or lights going on and off. 00:37:15.820 --> 00:37:18.720 Or just people kicking 'em or moving them. 00:37:19.043 --> 00:37:19.223 Yeah. 00:37:19.353 --> 00:37:20.733 And the cat balls too. 00:37:20.793 --> 00:37:21.903 I love me some cat balls. 00:37:21.903 --> 00:37:22.233 I do. 00:37:22.576 --> 00:37:22.906 Oh yeah. 00:37:23.156 --> 00:37:23.536 Us too. 00:37:24.036 --> 00:37:26.796 But you gotta place some places where people aren't kicking them. 00:37:26.856 --> 00:37:30.426 So Yeah, I just, I don't, there was a couple of K2s where they 00:37:30.426 --> 00:37:33.396 would just not shut up and they were on the floor and I'm like, 00:37:33.486 --> 00:37:34.746 that's not for real Communication. 00:37:34.746 --> 00:37:35.316 That's something else. 00:37:35.316 --> 00:37:35.976 It has to be. 00:37:36.246 --> 00:37:36.396 Yep. 00:37:36.900 --> 00:37:39.270 It's gotta be something that we're not, the people are like, 00:37:39.270 --> 00:37:42.720 oh my God, it just means that the, the spirit is talking more. 00:37:42.720 --> 00:37:44.210 And I'm like, I don't think so. 00:37:44.506 --> 00:37:47.476 If it's that consistent, then it has to be something else. 00:37:47.746 --> 00:37:50.086 Or the people that wave them in the air I love that. 00:37:50.186 --> 00:37:50.426 Yeah. 00:37:50.736 --> 00:37:55.866 And I think that's a big problem with the field in general is there is no 00:37:55.866 --> 00:37:58.780 standard for how to investigate. 00:37:58.780 --> 00:38:01.690 There is no protocol, there is no manual for this. 00:38:01.930 --> 00:38:06.023 People are going in, they're experiencing it, they're growing in their knowledge. 00:38:06.355 --> 00:38:11.065 Through the actual experience, but there is no like base on 00:38:11.065 --> 00:38:14.305 this is what to do, this is how to use, this is how to use that. 00:38:14.623 --> 00:38:18.403 This is when to use this and this is when to use that, and people are just 00:38:18.403 --> 00:38:22.206 doing what they're seeing on tv and you're running into these problems 00:38:22.206 --> 00:38:25.476 where people are just, that could be people's first investigation. 00:38:25.476 --> 00:38:25.716 Yeah. 00:38:26.016 --> 00:38:28.086 They've never used the equipment before. 00:38:28.206 --> 00:38:31.626 And the thing is too, for rule number one, when you start an investigation, 00:38:31.686 --> 00:38:35.196 cell phone's in airplane mode, I tell people that all the time because 00:38:35.256 --> 00:38:39.216 that is gonna set off every blinky device that you're laying out. 00:38:39.546 --> 00:38:39.756 Yeah. 00:38:40.041 --> 00:38:40.238 Yep. 00:38:40.501 --> 00:38:43.618 I can try to counter that EMF argument too. 00:38:44.008 --> 00:38:48.364 That's why even when I was doing my old investigations with the group that I had 00:38:48.364 --> 00:38:51.444 before going solo, we mainly focused. 00:38:51.864 --> 00:38:56.124 More on like outdoor stuff, like cemeteries or whatever, something that 00:38:56.124 --> 00:39:01.338 we could basically say there should be absolutely no electrical anything here. 00:39:01.838 --> 00:39:05.703 And unless it's just one of our flashlights or something, just 00:39:05.923 --> 00:39:07.113 The lock ness monster. 00:39:07.483 --> 00:39:11.199 Um, unless it's one of our equipment setting it off basically. 00:39:11.699 --> 00:39:18.749 And there was a one point during the Hubbardton battlefield cemetery part where 00:39:19.049 --> 00:39:22.269 the EMF was going off like flashy flash. 00:39:22.649 --> 00:39:26.449 And I remember like in the video, I'm like, whoa, dude, did you see that? 00:39:26.449 --> 00:39:29.749 And it's just, we tested all this out before even recording. 00:39:29.749 --> 00:39:34.549 Now we're gonna show it on video where it's not my flashlight and I'm 00:39:34.549 --> 00:39:36.559 dangling it near it or something. 00:39:36.589 --> 00:39:41.059 I'm even having my friend who had my digital camera or a digital camera. 00:39:41.363 --> 00:39:46.943 Try to like take a picture and even hold down the button so that it focuses 00:39:46.943 --> 00:39:51.203 or whatever you wanna call that before you actually take the shot just to show 00:39:51.503 --> 00:39:53.903 the person watching the video later. 00:39:53.963 --> 00:39:56.693 Like see we're, what are we showing you? 00:39:56.783 --> 00:39:59.143 This is not us setting this off. 00:39:59.593 --> 00:40:01.123 Especially we sent this to cemetery. 00:40:01.123 --> 00:40:05.259 There should absolutely be no electricity unless it may be 00:40:05.399 --> 00:40:09.599 underground, but most of the time you're not gonna have electricity. 00:40:09.629 --> 00:40:12.029 So that's what we even did back then. 00:40:12.209 --> 00:40:15.059 So I guess my take is, what do you guys think about that? 00:40:15.059 --> 00:40:16.199 Using like an EMF? 00:40:16.546 --> 00:40:18.996 Like outside to try to say, yeah. 00:40:19.446 --> 00:40:20.646 Should be, yep, go ahead. 00:40:21.066 --> 00:40:21.756 We do that. 00:40:22.206 --> 00:40:27.266 We have and, and we, whenever we use the K2, it's usually to take a baseline to 00:40:27.266 --> 00:40:28.916 see if the room's going crazy or not. 00:40:29.036 --> 00:40:31.166 If it's going crazy right in the beginning, it's probably 00:40:31.166 --> 00:40:31.856 something in the room. 00:40:31.856 --> 00:40:34.886 But your thing with the outdoor stuff that, that's interesting too. 00:40:34.886 --> 00:40:36.296 'cause we have a place that we go to. 00:40:36.796 --> 00:40:41.926 And we've had some hits there and there's nothing near, there's no electricity. 00:40:41.926 --> 00:40:42.916 You're out in the middle of the woods. 00:40:42.916 --> 00:40:43.666 There's nothing there. 00:40:43.966 --> 00:40:46.426 There's nothing running under the ground that we know of. 00:40:46.426 --> 00:40:47.716 There shouldn't be anything running there. 00:40:47.716 --> 00:40:48.886 There shouldn't be power lines there. 00:40:48.886 --> 00:40:49.846 It's all poles there. 00:40:49.996 --> 00:40:51.736 But yet we've had a REM-Pod go off. 00:40:52.236 --> 00:40:55.296 Again, I don't even, all REM pod, this is a friend's REM pod, and this 00:40:55.296 --> 00:40:59.356 started going off right in the middle of an Estes session outside and we 00:40:59.446 --> 00:41:03.376 had hits on the K2 on a rock just sitting on a rock for no reason. 00:41:03.676 --> 00:41:06.060 There's a stream nearby and all that, but you're in an area where you're 00:41:06.060 --> 00:41:07.470 not expecting it and it happens. 00:41:07.530 --> 00:41:08.190 What is that? 00:41:08.700 --> 00:41:11.850 You know, I'm not saying it's something, could be something with like some 00:41:11.850 --> 00:41:14.340 kind of geomagnetic anomaly, whatever. 00:41:14.520 --> 00:41:15.060 You know what I mean? 00:41:15.450 --> 00:41:15.690 Yeah, 00:41:16.190 --> 00:41:16.520 yeah. 00:41:16.580 --> 00:41:18.170 I can talk on that a little bit more. 00:41:18.170 --> 00:41:20.720 Maybe you guys had this happen on your end. 00:41:21.220 --> 00:41:25.480 There's a time where like I have the EMF light that you guys are 00:41:25.480 --> 00:41:27.680 talking about and the The milligauss. 00:41:27.850 --> 00:41:28.960 The milligauss , whatever. 00:41:29.050 --> 00:41:29.110 Yeah. 00:41:29.110 --> 00:41:29.380 Yeah. 00:41:29.880 --> 00:41:30.630 And. 00:41:31.130 --> 00:41:36.250 One thing when I was first beginning to learn all this stuff too, is 00:41:36.250 --> 00:41:40.270 I had a good friend of mine who started a group back in 2004. 00:41:40.270 --> 00:41:44.470 So he was like my mentor at the early years too. 00:41:44.970 --> 00:41:49.290 And he was telling me what you should do with your EMF is if you get a 00:41:49.290 --> 00:41:52.110 spike or you get something, follow it. 00:41:52.410 --> 00:41:56.070 You used to go down to the ground, you to go up into the sky, right, left. 00:41:56.160 --> 00:41:57.660 And that's what I started to even do. 00:41:58.110 --> 00:42:01.410 An example I can give, I actually have a video of this. 00:42:01.890 --> 00:42:05.093 I don't, I like you, I don't know what to think of this. 00:42:05.183 --> 00:42:09.308 And that is at one specific Cemetery. 00:42:09.528 --> 00:42:10.348 It was weird. 00:42:10.378 --> 00:42:15.079 It was like I, it looked like I had some sort of spike or something more to say. 00:42:15.460 --> 00:42:19.870 And as I'm following it, it's going higher and higher and higher and 00:42:19.870 --> 00:42:23.824 then it drops and then it comes back and drops kind of thing. 00:42:24.324 --> 00:42:28.764 And normally if it start to drop, like I say, I try to follow it, see 00:42:28.764 --> 00:42:34.374 if it's moving or just whatever it brought me to this weird spot in the 00:42:34.374 --> 00:42:40.104 cemetery, almost like near uh, the hill and going back down like towards the 00:42:40.104 --> 00:42:42.444 road, near like the houses or whatever. 00:42:42.504 --> 00:42:47.904 And that's why I say I don't know if it's underground because it's that weird and 00:42:47.904 --> 00:42:51.744 I don't know what it was, if it could have been something underground or not. 00:42:52.070 --> 00:42:54.680 So I don't know if you guys had anything like that, what 00:42:54.680 --> 00:42:55.850 you were saying with the Rock. 00:42:56.217 --> 00:42:56.547 So 00:42:56.697 --> 00:43:00.117 yeah, I mean we just, honestly, our Blinky lights, devices, we 00:43:00.117 --> 00:43:01.527 use those to debunk half the time. 00:43:02.027 --> 00:43:03.437 No, not even half the time anymore. 00:43:03.437 --> 00:43:04.327 Most of the time, now. 00:43:04.397 --> 00:43:05.927 Yeah, we barely even use them. 00:43:06.137 --> 00:43:10.062 The only thing we really use are like the balls, the motion balls, the cat balls. 00:43:10.062 --> 00:43:10.987 I love the cat balls. 00:43:11.487 --> 00:43:12.777 Cat balls are the greatest ever. 00:43:13.235 --> 00:43:13.865 They really are. 00:43:13.865 --> 00:43:14.225 They are. 00:43:14.225 --> 00:43:15.785 And they're getting like, 00:43:15.965 --> 00:43:16.565 yeah, they're starting to, 00:43:16.565 --> 00:43:17.915 they're getting controversy now. 00:43:17.915 --> 00:43:21.695 People are saying the wires and them will react to severe cold and severe heat 00:43:22.112 --> 00:43:22.925 fluctuations. 00:43:22.925 --> 00:43:23.255 The ball. 00:43:23.255 --> 00:43:28.415 Yeah, like fluctuations and create the balls, like activating for no reason. 00:43:28.915 --> 00:43:30.055 I remember hearing about that. 00:43:30.055 --> 00:43:30.329 Yeah. 00:43:30.329 --> 00:43:33.239 So that's when you put them on little stands so they don't move. 00:43:33.565 --> 00:43:33.925 Yes. 00:43:34.165 --> 00:43:36.442 If you put them on little stand, they're not gonna move. 00:43:36.442 --> 00:43:37.252 They're not gonna do anything. 00:43:37.252 --> 00:43:38.872 And you can keep them at a nice cool place. 00:43:38.992 --> 00:43:40.432 Did you ever have one actually move? 00:43:40.792 --> 00:43:41.772 I've never had one actually move. 00:43:41.802 --> 00:43:43.051 We have. 00:43:43.051 --> 00:43:43.801 It's sliding up. 00:43:43.891 --> 00:43:44.891 Oh, and it's moving. 00:43:45.181 --> 00:43:45.901 It's rocking. 00:43:46.401 --> 00:43:47.031 That's weird. 00:43:47.531 --> 00:43:49.931 I think we charged the room with the Tesla coil at that, like 00:43:49.991 --> 00:43:51.221 right before that too, right? 00:43:51.221 --> 00:43:51.371 I think. 00:43:51.376 --> 00:43:51.526 I think. 00:43:51.526 --> 00:43:51.536 Yeah. 00:43:51.536 --> 00:43:51.911 Yeah. 00:43:52.211 --> 00:43:54.311 Which I think differently about that now too, so. 00:43:54.811 --> 00:43:56.611 I could go into that if you want, but. 00:43:56.686 --> 00:43:58.906 I think high energy is too much. 00:43:58.906 --> 00:44:02.586 I'm on the low EMF setting the baseline in the room thing now. 00:44:02.586 --> 00:44:03.186 Makes sense. 00:44:03.186 --> 00:44:03.666 That makes sense. 00:44:04.056 --> 00:44:04.886 I like tesla coils. 00:44:05.006 --> 00:44:05.726 Stop feeding it. 00:44:05.726 --> 00:44:08.836 So that brings me to our next question is how do you, and I'm 00:44:08.836 --> 00:44:12.586 curious to know Stephanie, because you are like very psychic, right? 00:44:12.586 --> 00:44:18.756 So you feel things, but like how do you know when it's actual real activity? 00:44:18.966 --> 00:44:20.466 Is there a tell for you? 00:44:20.933 --> 00:44:22.463 That's a good question. 00:44:22.793 --> 00:44:25.103 And actually what you're talking about with the EMF. 00:44:25.328 --> 00:44:31.276 So I did an investigation at a hotel in Oklahoma City and it made the 00:44:31.276 --> 00:44:36.226 news because there was an NBA team that stayed there and performed 00:44:36.436 --> 00:44:38.356 horribly in their game the next day. 00:44:38.536 --> 00:44:42.076 And they claim that the rooms were haunted and that's why it did bad. 00:44:42.546 --> 00:44:44.706 There's a lot of people that go there and investigate now. 00:44:45.060 --> 00:44:45.870 So my. 00:44:46.173 --> 00:44:48.513 Family wanted to go investigate. 00:44:49.013 --> 00:44:54.233 So we went there and I remember getting off the elevator and it felt weird. 00:44:54.323 --> 00:44:56.303 I'm like, okay, this isn't right. 00:44:56.333 --> 00:44:58.283 There's something going on here. 00:44:58.783 --> 00:45:01.093 But then we got into the room, pull out the stuff. 00:45:01.093 --> 00:45:04.543 I had the K2, set it in the middle, and it just goes off like it didn't 00:45:04.543 --> 00:45:07.423 matter where it was, it's going off. 00:45:07.483 --> 00:45:09.163 I'm like, okay, there's something going on. 00:45:09.163 --> 00:45:13.033 There's some sort of electrical issue in this hotel. 00:45:13.363 --> 00:45:16.243 So automatically I'm like, okay, there's nothing haunted here. 00:45:16.693 --> 00:45:19.303 All it is electrical frequencies messing with people. 00:45:19.673 --> 00:45:24.173 So I think that's when tech becomes important, because you can use your 00:45:24.198 --> 00:45:29.510 senses and be like, okay, something's off here, so now let's see if 00:45:29.720 --> 00:45:31.670 that's true or that's accurate. 00:45:32.000 --> 00:45:33.800 So other than that, I don't, 00:45:34.303 --> 00:45:37.183 I think some people are sensitive to EMF. 00:45:37.683 --> 00:45:38.233 I really do. 00:45:38.538 --> 00:45:42.728 That brings up a good point too, because if you're, you could test your abilities 00:45:42.938 --> 00:45:46.778 by, if you're feeling that and maybe you're getting activity, pull out the 00:45:46.778 --> 00:45:49.898 meter and see how that correlates to what you're getting, how that would 00:45:49.898 --> 00:45:51.338 work, the logistics of that, but 00:45:51.338 --> 00:45:56.098 I think to answer the question too, for me, I have one of two things happen. 00:45:56.458 --> 00:46:00.645 I either get my fight or flight activated and I'm starting to say, we need to 00:46:00.645 --> 00:46:01.965 go, we need to go, we need to leave. 00:46:02.465 --> 00:46:06.448 Or I will have thoughts that aren't my thoughts. 00:46:06.748 --> 00:46:09.358 And that's one of two ways that I know that there is 00:46:09.358 --> 00:46:11.188 some like real activity there. 00:46:11.188 --> 00:46:13.048 Now I wanna counteract what you just said. 00:46:13.048 --> 00:46:15.058 How would you know it's not your thought though. 00:46:15.375 --> 00:46:17.505 How, like how would you describe that? 00:46:17.505 --> 00:46:21.188 Because I know it's not something that I would normally do. 00:46:21.648 --> 00:46:25.008 It actually started on my first investigation when I was in college. 00:46:25.008 --> 00:46:26.418 We had gone to. 00:46:26.823 --> 00:46:28.683 We did Urban Legend Nights, we would call it. 00:46:28.923 --> 00:46:32.163 And we would go to a few groups, we'd go to a couple different locations. 00:46:32.313 --> 00:46:36.633 We'd pick the most active location of the night and we'd go back there with anybody 00:46:36.633 --> 00:46:41.543 that was remaining at 3:00 AM So that was actually the first time it happened. 00:46:41.723 --> 00:46:45.353 I was just like, the whole night I just kept, I call to everywhere. 00:46:45.353 --> 00:46:47.603 There were people if we were like, we were in a group where we were 00:46:47.603 --> 00:46:50.513 broken up and I would just keep trying to convince everyone that 00:46:50.513 --> 00:46:52.643 we had to go, we need to leave. 00:46:52.793 --> 00:46:55.256 We're not wanted here, and we need to leave. 00:46:55.583 --> 00:46:58.553 And when I start getting like that, I'm like, okay, something is 00:46:58.553 --> 00:47:00.893 telling me that we need to leave. 00:47:00.893 --> 00:47:03.731 I could vouch for that too, because when she gets into the flight 00:47:03.731 --> 00:47:06.928 mode, a lot of the times that's when activity starts popping off. 00:47:07.273 --> 00:47:10.093 Like we're getting physical things that we're seeing, like in the 00:47:10.093 --> 00:47:12.913 environment, we see lights in the woods and stuff like that. 00:47:12.913 --> 00:47:16.636 And the more fearful she gets and the more that she wants to leave, 00:47:17.136 --> 00:47:18.666 the more that activity picks up. 00:47:19.146 --> 00:47:19.476 Yeah. 00:47:19.476 --> 00:47:23.706 So how quick, I guess, for lack of is by the time she's feeling that, 00:47:23.706 --> 00:47:28.476 let's just say like, is it a minute or so later that's when, I don't 00:47:28.476 --> 00:47:33.186 know, some sort of activity kind of spike or like how quickly does it 00:47:33.576 --> 00:47:35.406 start to seem to spike up or ramp up? 00:47:35.406 --> 00:47:37.723 It's all happening at the same time. 00:47:38.023 --> 00:47:40.123 It's happening in tandem with her wanting to leave. 00:47:40.153 --> 00:47:44.173 And the thing is too is it makes other people on the team feel weird. 00:47:44.500 --> 00:47:47.440 Like we start picking up on it, we start getting freaked out by it. 00:47:47.440 --> 00:47:51.060 So we learn to trust it and say, Hey, maybe is time to leave, 00:47:51.060 --> 00:47:52.440 especially in the outdoor locations. 00:47:52.445 --> 00:47:52.535 Oh yeah. 00:47:52.535 --> 00:47:52.775 You feel, 00:47:53.100 --> 00:47:53.550 oh yes. 00:47:54.050 --> 00:47:56.900 I feel like those, you don't really know what you're dealing with. 00:47:57.050 --> 00:47:58.370 I don't always think it's spirits. 00:47:58.370 --> 00:48:01.850 I think it's something that has been there, that has always been there. 00:48:01.850 --> 00:48:03.770 That's like a guardian type entity. 00:48:03.890 --> 00:48:07.700 And I think they're really good at letting you know when it's time to leave. 00:48:08.043 --> 00:48:11.633 So I trust her when her a little sense goes off there. 00:48:11.663 --> 00:48:12.053 Yeah. 00:48:12.513 --> 00:48:14.733 And sometimes they'll force me to push through it. 00:48:15.133 --> 00:48:15.543 We try. 00:48:15.663 --> 00:48:19.883 And we, like the first night that we had gone to our local spot, that was 00:48:19.883 --> 00:48:21.053 the night that we saw the shadow. 00:48:21.337 --> 00:48:25.823 And then now when we go and they like force me to push through and then 00:48:25.823 --> 00:48:29.633 things will start happening and it'll start to amp up to when we saw the 00:48:29.633 --> 00:48:31.163 shadow and I'll be like, we gotta go. 00:48:31.163 --> 00:48:31.733 We gotta go. 00:48:31.733 --> 00:48:32.453 It's getting closer. 00:48:32.453 --> 00:48:33.113 It's getting closer. 00:48:33.113 --> 00:48:33.173 Yeah. 00:48:33.173 --> 00:48:34.043 I don't wanna see it again. 00:48:34.043 --> 00:48:34.613 We gotta go. 00:48:35.024 --> 00:48:35.294 Yeah, 00:48:35.791 --> 00:48:36.481 that makes sense. 00:48:36.481 --> 00:48:36.691 Yeah. 00:48:37.016 --> 00:48:37.306 Yeah. 00:48:37.791 --> 00:48:40.941 I guess in a way I could say it's like a, delay, like how much of a delay 00:48:40.941 --> 00:48:44.781 is there between a feeling it to then having it go on, I guess would be 00:48:44.781 --> 00:48:46.551 the appropriate way of looking at it. 00:48:46.881 --> 00:48:51.231 It could be like immediate or it could be like five minutes. 00:48:51.711 --> 00:48:51.951 Yep. 00:48:52.301 --> 00:48:55.061 I guess it all depends on the environment really and where you're 00:48:55.061 --> 00:48:59.351 at to really stay the least of how quickly it can respond to your 00:48:59.851 --> 00:48:59.911 Yeah. 00:48:59.911 --> 00:49:00.031 Body. 00:49:00.291 --> 00:49:03.721 And also too, like I realize how that sounds, saying it out loud, like it almost 00:49:03.721 --> 00:49:05.791 sounds like Poltergeist activity, right? 00:49:06.187 --> 00:49:06.667 In a way, yes. 00:49:07.167 --> 00:49:08.007 You're in the woods. 00:49:08.262 --> 00:49:08.602 It does, 00:49:09.102 --> 00:49:11.267 but like it really only happens to me. 00:49:11.627 --> 00:49:13.707 It's only happened to me in two locations. 00:49:14.027 --> 00:49:14.327 Two. 00:49:14.814 --> 00:49:15.084 Yeah. 00:49:15.484 --> 00:49:17.404 I do get a feeling like that as well. 00:49:17.464 --> 00:49:21.701 So I know when activity's about to happen, I feel the ramp up like fully. 00:49:21.701 --> 00:49:25.241 I feel, I go what something's gonna happen, and then usually within 00:49:25.241 --> 00:49:27.521 two or three minutes something happens and I can feel it. 00:49:27.521 --> 00:49:30.971 And I know that feeling of go away or run or whatever. 00:49:31.451 --> 00:49:35.021 I tend to override it though I don't, I'm like, oh, that's interesting. 00:49:35.321 --> 00:49:38.471 So maybe the part of my brain that is fearful of those 00:49:38.471 --> 00:49:40.331 things is broken or something. 00:49:40.781 --> 00:49:44.271 Because even out in the woods, like sometimes I know things are tracking me. 00:49:44.691 --> 00:49:48.634 Sometimes I do see the big thing in the corner of my eye, but I'm 00:49:48.634 --> 00:49:49.654 like, I'm just gonna stand here. 00:49:50.057 --> 00:49:53.557 Which will probably be the death of me, but now that I'm thinking about it. 00:49:53.647 --> 00:49:55.787 But there is, I don't know why. 00:49:55.857 --> 00:50:00.637 Even I've been places where people have died and they're like, you can feel it. 00:50:00.637 --> 00:50:04.957 And you're like, you feel the the last breath or whatever, and you get, I do 00:50:04.957 --> 00:50:07.957 get into that fight or flag 'cause I'm like, oh my God, that's just too creepy. 00:50:07.957 --> 00:50:11.724 But I don't know, I tend to just go, okay, and sit in it. 00:50:12.184 --> 00:50:13.244 answer my own question. 00:50:13.557 --> 00:50:14.727 I know how to use all the tech. 00:50:14.907 --> 00:50:19.491 I got it, but, and I do a ton of research on ITC, so I'm a nerd about it. 00:50:19.491 --> 00:50:24.491 But at the end of the day, if I don't feel it in my body or if I don't feel it in 00:50:24.491 --> 00:50:29.511 some way, shape, or form, then I always negate it if unless something's being 00:50:29.511 --> 00:50:35.184 thrown at me or not, or something's moving in the room, if it's just a blinky light. 00:50:35.184 --> 00:50:37.731 Or a ghost box saying something. 00:50:38.047 --> 00:50:38.137 Yeah. 00:50:38.137 --> 00:50:43.647 And I'm not feeling it, or if I'm not experiencing it in my person, I 00:50:43.767 --> 00:50:45.657 don't know what to do with it. 00:50:45.777 --> 00:50:46.677 I don't know if it's real or not. 00:50:47.067 --> 00:50:49.317 The reason why, I can just cut in for a minute. 00:50:49.317 --> 00:50:55.226 The reason why I just ask about the, like how long either after, maybe during you 00:50:55.226 --> 00:50:59.919 guys are feeling this is because I don't know how often you guys have captured it 00:50:59.919 --> 00:51:05.909 for EVP, but there's been moment, even when I'm using the spirit box back in 00:51:05.909 --> 00:51:10.679 the day where there's a response that comes either through the voice recorder 00:51:10.679 --> 00:51:16.369 or something, but it almost seems like the answer to what you're about to say. 00:51:16.782 --> 00:51:17.322 Oh yeah, yeah. 00:51:17.322 --> 00:51:18.402 No, we've experienced that. 00:51:18.402 --> 00:51:19.092 Yeah, absolutely. 00:51:19.592 --> 00:51:21.812 So that's why I bring, that's why I would bring it up. 00:51:21.812 --> 00:51:24.092 So if you're starting to feel it, is it. 00:51:24.592 --> 00:51:26.722 Like a couple seconds before it actually happens? 00:51:26.722 --> 00:51:29.712 Or is it like you put it it sometimes during it? 00:51:30.192 --> 00:51:34.149 Because it's interesting that sometimes we can get like a response 00:51:34.149 --> 00:51:36.459 to whatever we are about to ask. 00:51:36.579 --> 00:51:36.669 Mm-hmm. 00:51:36.779 --> 00:51:38.679 And it says, ha, how did you know? 00:51:38.679 --> 00:51:40.089 We were just about to ask that. 00:51:40.089 --> 00:51:41.109 Like that theory. 00:51:41.609 --> 00:51:43.569 It's almost like the universe already knows. 00:51:43.939 --> 00:51:48.179 And it makes me think , is it that like part of our brain, like our lizard brain 00:51:48.679 --> 00:51:54.859 that used to have to be alert to predators that we don't really need anymore because 00:51:54.859 --> 00:51:56.959 we have houses, we have lighting at night. 00:51:57.229 --> 00:52:00.649 Like we don't have to worry about predators at night, but that part of 00:52:00.649 --> 00:52:05.089 our brain is somehow being activated when we're in these situations and 00:52:05.089 --> 00:52:08.869 sensing these spirits, whatever type of entities are out there, are 00:52:08.869 --> 00:52:12.919 they sensing them as threats to us and activating our fight or flight 00:52:12.919 --> 00:52:18.049 system like it would have if we were cavemen sleeping in our cave at night. 00:52:18.049 --> 00:52:20.239 It's more predictive than reactive. 00:52:20.329 --> 00:52:20.929 Yeah, it is. 00:52:21.389 --> 00:52:22.029 Your lizard brain. 00:52:22.029 --> 00:52:22.299 Yeah. 00:52:22.299 --> 00:52:23.299 So that would make sense. 00:52:23.449 --> 00:52:24.409 No, that's a good point, Paul. 00:52:24.909 --> 00:52:25.179 Yeah. 00:52:25.679 --> 00:52:29.489 It goes also into the theory of, and Heather had brought it up too, with 00:52:29.489 --> 00:52:33.919 the whole like, once you dive into the paranormal, we become the paranormal. 00:52:34.279 --> 00:52:41.139 So in a way, is it like we're almost suggesting the phenomenon like 00:52:41.319 --> 00:52:45.009 almost like in our brain, before we even say it, we're thinking it. 00:52:45.189 --> 00:52:48.419 So is that still suggesting it kind of thing? 00:52:48.419 --> 00:52:49.049 I don't know. 00:52:49.439 --> 00:52:49.619 Yeah. 00:52:49.619 --> 00:52:50.669 I think that's a huge part of it. 00:52:51.059 --> 00:52:52.889 It's the way that the human brain works, 00:52:53.399 --> 00:52:55.079 the psychology behind that. 00:52:55.169 --> 00:52:55.589 Yeah. 00:52:56.089 --> 00:52:56.299 Yep. 00:52:56.799 --> 00:53:00.299 So it's important to determine what's a real experience versus 00:53:00.299 --> 00:53:01.709 what's your brain making up. 00:53:01.709 --> 00:53:06.119 Because I know I've seen shadows in the dark that I know it's my brain putting 00:53:06.119 --> 00:53:09.859 that together and processing that quickly and saying, Hey, you have to be 00:53:09.859 --> 00:53:11.359 scared 'cause it's trying to protect me. 00:53:11.359 --> 00:53:13.039 It's trying to push me out of that area. 00:53:13.039 --> 00:53:13.669 You know what I mean? 00:53:13.969 --> 00:53:15.739 That's what happens when your senses go away. 00:53:16.067 --> 00:53:20.447 When it's dark, your brain is, it's processing data in a way that it 00:53:20.447 --> 00:53:21.947 could with what's available to it. 00:53:21.947 --> 00:53:24.937 And it's like Gab was saying that lizard brain kind of kicks in 00:53:24.937 --> 00:53:25.927 and says, Hey, you're in danger. 00:53:25.927 --> 00:53:26.527 Get out of here. 00:53:26.527 --> 00:53:27.817 We're gonna, I gonna process this. 00:53:27.817 --> 00:53:28.387 You're gonna see it. 00:53:28.887 --> 00:53:31.017 But the thing that makes me question that is when you have a group of 00:53:31.017 --> 00:53:32.637 people that witness the same thing 00:53:33.057 --> 00:53:34.557 or to see something different, 00:53:34.557 --> 00:53:36.112 Still they all witnessed something. 00:53:36.612 --> 00:53:37.182 You know what I'm saying? 00:53:37.182 --> 00:53:40.272 You have the group experience, whether, because we've talked about 00:53:40.272 --> 00:53:42.922 this before with the shadow creature our antlered shadow creature. 00:53:43.362 --> 00:53:45.282 Gab saw it on two legs. 00:53:45.586 --> 00:53:46.966 I thought it was on all fours. 00:53:47.292 --> 00:53:47.747 Yep, exactly. 00:53:47.982 --> 00:53:51.312 The other guy that was with us, he agrees with what I saw 00:53:51.642 --> 00:53:52.752 that it was on fours. 00:53:53.202 --> 00:53:53.622 Yes. 00:53:53.622 --> 00:53:55.002 Two people saw it the same way. 00:53:55.032 --> 00:53:58.422 We just talked to him recently, actually, after a bit of a hiatus. 00:53:58.422 --> 00:54:02.492 But I was thrilled to hear him explain what happened that night, because it 00:54:02.492 --> 00:54:05.372 matches exactly what I experienced. 00:54:05.372 --> 00:54:07.352 And then you have Gabrielle who saw it differently. 00:54:07.352 --> 00:54:09.422 I think Heather had a suggestion for that. 00:54:09.422 --> 00:54:12.292 Talking to Heather one time, she said it's a difference between the 00:54:12.292 --> 00:54:15.202 male energy and the female energy and how you experience things. 00:54:15.202 --> 00:54:15.502 So 00:54:15.502 --> 00:54:18.742 Yeah, I would also, okay, so with me and Stephanie, we can go into 00:54:18.742 --> 00:54:21.832 the same room and experience things completely different and we're happy. 00:54:21.832 --> 00:54:25.566 Yeah, we are literally in the same energy. 00:54:25.716 --> 00:54:27.846 And I know she's picking up on the same thing. 00:54:27.846 --> 00:54:31.362 I, I know she is, but she'll have this completely different experience and then 00:54:31.362 --> 00:54:33.412 we put it together, then it makes sense. 00:54:33.472 --> 00:54:38.502 And I think that's too, like they use like what's in our brain, 00:54:38.592 --> 00:54:43.502 almost like a registry and like our knowledge base, like archetypes almost. 00:54:43.952 --> 00:54:47.132 And they use that to then project to us. 00:54:47.132 --> 00:54:51.362 So you might see something different because you might interpret something 00:54:51.362 --> 00:54:52.922 different than the person next to you. 00:54:53.312 --> 00:54:56.372 So that could even explain why people see things differently. 00:54:56.372 --> 00:54:59.582 Which is what I was gonna say too, with what Heather had done for all 00:54:59.582 --> 00:55:01.147 of us with the whole DNA thing. 00:55:01.147 --> 00:55:01.467 Mm-hmm. 00:55:01.547 --> 00:55:05.882 Which is was the theory I was trying to think about a long time ago, is 00:55:05.882 --> 00:55:09.662 how come, we'll just say this, like you guys were saying a little bit 00:55:09.662 --> 00:55:14.316 ago, was this person saw it this way, this person didn't see it this way. 00:55:14.376 --> 00:55:20.162 I had a guest on about spook lights where they were with this other person 00:55:20.462 --> 00:55:25.996 where they, he couldn't see the spook lights around him, but other people could. 00:55:26.412 --> 00:55:31.866 So it made me start to wonder, is it something involving DNA or is 00:55:31.871 --> 00:55:35.006 it, what are we, how should I say? 00:55:35.036 --> 00:55:36.236 Maybe open-minded. 00:55:36.236 --> 00:55:40.846 We are, and what I mean by that is like the more open-minded we 00:55:40.846 --> 00:55:43.246 are into the subject of believing. 00:55:43.246 --> 00:55:44.326 Yes, there is in fact. 00:55:44.731 --> 00:55:45.991 Weird shit out there. 00:55:46.051 --> 00:55:49.381 That's when we can start to see more or accept it more. 00:55:49.411 --> 00:55:51.301 Maybe that would be the appropriate term. 00:55:51.811 --> 00:55:55.221 And then there's maybe other words, they're still not 00:55:55.221 --> 00:55:56.691 too sure how to look at it. 00:55:56.691 --> 00:56:02.451 And maybe that's why they're, they can't really see it in, or feel it in a way 00:56:02.777 --> 00:56:05.447 of like how we could take away from it. 00:56:05.447 --> 00:56:08.027 Like how Heather and Stephanie were just talking. 00:56:08.354 --> 00:56:08.744 I don't know. 00:56:08.744 --> 00:56:11.654 I've just been, I've been running with that idea for a while too. 00:56:11.684 --> 00:56:15.914 'cause one thing I was noticing, when Heather had sent me this thing 00:56:15.914 --> 00:56:20.894 that she did, one of the lines that really caught me was like, forest 00:56:21.224 --> 00:56:25.594 lines always looking at the forest line of the wood, basically. 00:56:26.074 --> 00:56:30.174 And that kind of made me realize, that's interesting because every 00:56:30.174 --> 00:56:34.754 time I go, whether it be for a drive if I'm driving or if I'm in 00:56:34.754 --> 00:56:37.964 the passenger seat or whatever. 00:56:37.964 --> 00:56:41.444 I'm always watching the forest line or maybe see whatever, 00:56:41.594 --> 00:56:43.304 whatever it be, deer, Turkey. 00:56:43.304 --> 00:56:46.064 But I'm always watching the forest line now. 00:56:46.064 --> 00:56:47.084 Why is that though? 00:56:47.594 --> 00:56:53.324 But maybe in that aspect, maybe I'll see something that was to say Heather might 00:56:53.324 --> 00:56:55.064 not see as she would driving with me. 00:56:55.481 --> 00:56:59.711 So interesting because maybe somebody could see something that somebody 00:56:59.711 --> 00:57:05.241 else is basically not realizing it's there because it's either A, too late 00:57:05.281 --> 00:57:06.961 or they just literally can't see it. 00:57:07.326 --> 00:57:07.616 Yeah. 00:57:07.681 --> 00:57:12.151 And to goes back into that phenomenon too, where maybe it's only allowing you to 00:57:12.151 --> 00:57:14.251 see it and not everybody else around you. 00:57:14.751 --> 00:57:19.941 So yeah, it makes me think about it in that sort of aspect as well, that 00:57:19.941 --> 00:57:24.321 it might be our DNA kind of what you about pulling it from our perspective 00:57:24.321 --> 00:57:28.581 of how we look at life in general or however we look at anything. 00:57:28.581 --> 00:57:32.152 Yeah it goes back to your brain's wired a certain way and whether or 00:57:32.152 --> 00:57:33.472 not you're sensitive to it or not. 00:57:33.592 --> 00:57:35.842 And I think you, I think, like you said before, I think we could 00:57:35.842 --> 00:57:37.942 rewire our brains if we're going out and we're looking for it. 00:57:38.032 --> 00:57:41.602 I feel like it takes notice that you're looking for it, it being 00:57:41.602 --> 00:57:43.162 whatever the, the phenomena is. 00:57:43.162 --> 00:57:45.025 And it looks back at you. 00:57:45.389 --> 00:57:48.044 It says, Hey, I could see that you noticed us. 00:57:48.544 --> 00:57:49.654 You're interested in us. 00:57:49.774 --> 00:57:51.484 I'm gonna let you know that I'm interested in you, 00:57:51.987 --> 00:57:55.437 or we're gonna back off because I'm not interested to show you yet. 00:57:55.527 --> 00:57:55.797 Yeah, right. 00:57:55.797 --> 00:57:56.937 It could go either way. 00:57:56.937 --> 00:57:59.367 So yeah, it's just interesting how that works. 00:57:59.367 --> 00:58:02.307 Like you guys are talking about that entity, that antlered entity. 00:58:02.307 --> 00:58:06.027 It's, uh, it's just makes me wonder, they must be allowing it if you're 00:58:06.027 --> 00:58:09.687 seeing that much of the details or maybe not all the details. 00:58:09.747 --> 00:58:11.967 And maybe that's why I still trying to find that. 00:58:12.311 --> 00:58:15.611 I don't know if I wanna say trust, but in a way it is. 00:58:15.911 --> 00:58:16.631 It's almost, it's like. 00:58:17.131 --> 00:58:20.221 When we first all chatted, we all gotta feel each other out. 00:58:20.341 --> 00:58:20.581 So 00:58:20.791 --> 00:58:21.001 yeah, 00:58:21.091 --> 00:58:25.861 I think that's what's going on every time when we walk into a place or woods. 00:58:26.174 --> 00:58:26.384 Yep. 00:58:26.761 --> 00:58:26.971 Yeah. 00:58:27.471 --> 00:58:28.721 You have to build up that rapport. 00:58:28.977 --> 00:58:29.367 Yes. 00:58:29.844 --> 00:58:34.074 So how much do you think you put into your own paranormal experiences? 00:58:34.344 --> 00:58:38.574 I always wonder like, how much of it is just a reflection back at you, what 00:58:38.574 --> 00:58:42.534 you fear, or what you don't fear, or what you need to learn at the time? 00:58:43.034 --> 00:58:47.574 I think that's ultimately, like, that's where I am in my own evolution, 00:58:47.574 --> 00:58:49.104 is, okay, I'm seeing some shit. 00:58:49.614 --> 00:58:50.274 What is it? 00:58:50.544 --> 00:58:52.940 The more I look at it, I'm like, it's me. 00:58:53.294 --> 00:58:53.834 You know what I mean? 00:58:53.909 --> 00:58:54.129 Yep. 00:58:54.559 --> 00:58:55.049 It's me 00:58:55.549 --> 00:58:56.419 Gab just had a, 00:58:56.919 --> 00:58:58.209 I just did that the other day. 00:58:58.209 --> 00:58:58.509 We, um, 00:58:58.649 --> 00:58:59.469 walked down the rabbit wall. 00:58:59.469 --> 00:58:59.589 Yeah. 00:59:00.039 --> 00:59:03.189 We had a guest who reached out to come on the podcast. 00:59:03.189 --> 00:59:07.029 So I started listening to other things that they had done to get 00:59:07.089 --> 00:59:08.919 like a feel of what to expect. 00:59:09.422 --> 00:59:12.752 And I listened to this one podcast and then I listened 00:59:12.752 --> 00:59:14.702 to other podcasts in the same 00:59:15.202 --> 00:59:15.412 circuit, 00:59:15.412 --> 00:59:17.332 like other episodes in the same podcast. 00:59:17.709 --> 00:59:20.439 And I messaged him and I'm like, you gotta listen to this episode. 00:59:20.939 --> 00:59:22.709 And we were listening to it together. 00:59:22.769 --> 00:59:24.149 I was like, oh no. 00:59:24.509 --> 00:59:25.049 Oh no. 00:59:25.499 --> 00:59:25.739 Oh no. 00:59:25.739 --> 00:59:26.459 It's our brain. 00:59:26.729 --> 00:59:28.649 Our brain, our brain is spirit. 00:59:28.889 --> 00:59:29.729 There's no ghost. 00:59:30.089 --> 00:59:30.749 It's just our brain. 00:59:30.899 --> 00:59:33.239 And I was like, I've come through the other side. 00:59:33.479 --> 00:59:35.609 I was like, I don't believe in ghosts anymore. 00:59:35.609 --> 00:59:36.209 I'm done. 00:59:36.709 --> 00:59:40.249 And then i send him the like the gif of the little girl screaming. 00:59:40.749 --> 00:59:44.169 I had to talk her off the, the proverbial cliff there on that one. 00:59:44.559 --> 00:59:44.769 Yeah. 00:59:44.769 --> 00:59:46.239 I'm like, it's just our brains. 00:59:46.632 --> 00:59:48.822 Even if it is your brain, it's weird enough that your 00:59:48.822 --> 00:59:50.907 brain's doing what it's doing. 00:59:51.282 --> 00:59:51.492 Yeah. 00:59:51.582 --> 00:59:55.722 But that could be the cause of medications or what could it be something more? 00:59:55.989 --> 00:59:56.159 Oh yeah. 00:59:56.659 --> 00:59:57.379 That's why. 00:59:57.879 --> 00:59:59.199 Most groups. 00:59:59.229 --> 01:00:03.699 I don't know about all of them, but sometimes some of the questions like 01:00:03.699 --> 01:00:07.949 the important questions is, Hey, before we do this house investigation for you 01:00:07.949 --> 01:00:11.639 to see what's going on, we just need to know, are you taking any medication? 01:00:11.789 --> 01:00:13.259 Are you good in your brain? 01:00:13.409 --> 01:00:13.919 Yeah, 01:00:14.069 --> 01:00:14.909 that's important. 01:00:15.409 --> 01:00:15.529 Yeah. 01:00:15.529 --> 01:00:15.619 Yes 01:00:16.039 --> 01:00:16.459 it is. 01:00:16.579 --> 01:00:19.654 Does anyone have any like psych diagnoses? 01:00:19.764 --> 01:00:20.254 Exactly. 01:00:20.434 --> 01:00:24.379 Mental health conditions that you need to know about and or maybe 01:00:24.379 --> 01:00:26.209 they shouldn't be in this position? 01:00:26.299 --> 01:00:29.299 I feel bad going out with people that are going through grief. 01:00:29.299 --> 01:00:29.629 Yeah. 01:00:29.629 --> 01:00:29.869 Yep. 01:00:30.369 --> 01:00:30.751 Me too.. 01:00:30.751 --> 01:00:32.041 It's like personal loss. 01:00:32.101 --> 01:00:34.917 I feel bad bringing those people, not gonna tell them 01:00:35.097 --> 01:00:36.447 they shouldn't be doing it. 01:00:36.447 --> 01:00:37.017 You know what I mean? 01:00:37.517 --> 01:00:40.567 But, I think your mindset really plays into 01:00:41.067 --> 01:00:41.517 your experience. 01:00:41.517 --> 01:00:42.207 Your experience. 01:00:42.294 --> 01:00:43.504 Oh, absolutely. 01:00:43.504 --> 01:00:46.954 Whatever you're feeling and however you go into that environment, it's 01:00:46.954 --> 01:00:50.554 gonna be throwing it back right at you in one form or another. 01:00:50.614 --> 01:00:54.604 It's always good, I guess, to answer how Heather would word in this question. 01:00:54.927 --> 01:01:00.677 So anytime I go anywhere, I try to throw it out into the universe 01:01:00.677 --> 01:01:03.051 that I'm not looking for anything. 01:01:03.201 --> 01:01:05.591 If it happens, it happened, basically. 01:01:06.091 --> 01:01:11.191 If it does happen, then I will basically try to interact with it 01:01:11.491 --> 01:01:13.171 and maybe see what happens with that. 01:01:13.201 --> 01:01:18.335 Or sometimes even if I do interact with it, it's only maybe just 01:01:18.335 --> 01:01:19.505 a couple things and that's it. 01:01:19.855 --> 01:01:20.005 Yeah, 01:01:20.265 --> 01:01:24.225 Like why am I getting EVPs on a voice recorder, but then I throw out a spirit 01:01:24.225 --> 01:01:30.958 box and there's nothing, or how come it's setting off the millimeter, but 01:01:30.958 --> 01:01:32.518 it's not setting off the light one? 01:01:32.668 --> 01:01:33.898 Like what, why? 01:01:34.398 --> 01:01:37.788 What the difference, is it because they just think it's gonna hurt them? 01:01:37.788 --> 01:01:39.018 Is it just something else? 01:01:39.138 --> 01:01:39.498 I don't know. 01:01:39.952 --> 01:01:40.222 Yeah. 01:01:40.222 --> 01:01:43.042 And then I think the other part of that too is I have experienced 01:01:43.042 --> 01:01:46.395 sentient moments where I'm like, Steph and I both have had that where 01:01:46.671 --> 01:01:48.321 it's literally giving us directions. 01:01:48.321 --> 01:01:51.581 Like, go here, go there, do this. 01:01:51.898 --> 01:01:54.298 It's very explicit directions. 01:01:54.298 --> 01:01:55.318 Do you wanna talk about that stuff? 01:01:55.318 --> 01:01:56.818 Because that happens a lot with us. 01:01:57.268 --> 01:01:57.748 Yeah. 01:01:57.748 --> 01:02:04.175 I think part of it is going in with curiosity and being curious, so 01:02:04.175 --> 01:02:09.178 then if there is some sort of direction, allowing yourself to 01:02:09.178 --> 01:02:13.068 follow that to see what happens and not expecting anything to happen. 01:02:13.428 --> 01:02:17.718 Because yeah, we have had investigations where it's Go downstairs. 01:02:17.718 --> 01:02:18.318 Go downstairs. 01:02:18.318 --> 01:02:20.748 I'm like, okay, why go downstairs? 01:02:20.748 --> 01:02:24.078 But we go downstairs and then we run into the people that we 01:02:24.078 --> 01:02:29.598 need to get into a specific room to have an ex, this experience. 01:02:29.985 --> 01:02:36.488 Or you run into somebody else or something that you need, and there's no way 01:02:36.548 --> 01:02:38.888 that you could predict that happening. 01:02:39.368 --> 01:02:42.331 The timing is just too synchronistic. 01:02:42.755 --> 01:02:47.465 There's something else going on that is directing that movement. 01:02:47.965 --> 01:02:48.415 Yeah. 01:02:48.415 --> 01:02:51.795 I'm really big into the synchronicity stuff. 01:02:51.795 --> 01:02:51.945 Yeah. 01:02:51.945 --> 01:02:53.985 I just wonder how it happens though, because it did happen 01:02:53.985 --> 01:02:55.095 to me this weekend too. 01:02:55.425 --> 01:02:59.405 So we're in this room with these people and they got all their equipment out, and 01:02:59.405 --> 01:03:04.015 we're sitting on the floor and the room suddenly gets that dead feeling where it's 01:03:04.075 --> 01:03:05.475 like nothing's gonna happen get stuck. 01:03:05.635 --> 01:03:05.965 Yeah. 01:03:06.295 --> 01:03:06.535 Yep. 01:03:06.745 --> 01:03:06.955 Yep. 01:03:07.465 --> 01:03:10.855 So that happens and I'm like, okay, something's gonna go down because 01:03:10.915 --> 01:03:12.475 it just got real quiet real quick. 01:03:12.925 --> 01:03:13.435 Right. 01:03:13.435 --> 01:03:16.495 And so somebody's spirit box goes, go downstairs. 01:03:16.705 --> 01:03:18.265 And I went, here we go. 01:03:18.385 --> 01:03:20.035 And I literally said, here we go. 01:03:20.035 --> 01:03:21.115 And everyone looks at me like. 01:03:21.615 --> 01:03:23.240 What it just said, go downstairs. 01:03:23.240 --> 01:03:27.160 And I know in my head I'm like, until I go downstairs, nothing's gonna happen 01:03:27.160 --> 01:03:30.804 in this room because no one else is gonna go downstairs and I'm gonna end 01:03:30.804 --> 01:03:32.004 up being the one that goes downstairs. 01:03:32.514 --> 01:03:36.354 So then it, nothing happens for a little while, it just go downstairs again. 01:03:36.700 --> 01:03:37.990 And I'm like, I'm gonna go downstairs. 01:03:38.490 --> 01:03:39.180 Let's go downstairs. 01:03:39.680 --> 01:03:45.610 Some people follow me downstairs and see, and this is where I get confused with it, 01:03:45.670 --> 01:03:47.590 because I didn't go straight downstairs. 01:03:48.010 --> 01:03:53.220 I went downstairs and then I got stuck on one of the, there's six floors. 01:03:53.580 --> 01:03:56.027 I got stuck on one of the floors talking to somebody. 01:03:56.027 --> 01:03:59.177 I had to run into this person, and then someone's like, we should go to the cave. 01:03:59.177 --> 01:04:00.167 And I'm like, okay. 01:04:00.167 --> 01:04:01.067 I don't know where the cave is. 01:04:01.277 --> 01:04:03.257 So we had to ask somebody where the cave was. 01:04:03.467 --> 01:04:07.667 Then we had to go to the cave, which is on the other side of this hotel, right? 01:04:08.167 --> 01:04:08.947 Go to the cave. 01:04:09.247 --> 01:04:10.267 We don't like the cave. 01:04:10.297 --> 01:04:11.348 That's not where we're supposed to be. 01:04:11.752 --> 01:04:13.672 Cave feels weird, gross, yucky. 01:04:13.732 --> 01:04:16.552 We hear some feminine voices though, and that's weird. 01:04:16.792 --> 01:04:17.992 You sure you don't wanna stay in the cave? 01:04:18.022 --> 01:04:18.952 No, we don't wanna go to the cave. 01:04:19.072 --> 01:04:19.312 Okay. 01:04:19.812 --> 01:04:20.682 Turns back around. 01:04:21.012 --> 01:04:25.452 go to the other side of the hotel to get to the place where we're gonna go, 01:04:25.452 --> 01:04:29.162 which is on the, for the first floor, which is a cave with limestone and water. 01:04:29.555 --> 01:04:33.395 It's another, it's a speakeasy, but it's in the actual limestone. 01:04:33.895 --> 01:04:36.115 This hotel is butted up against limestone, by the way. 01:04:36.615 --> 01:04:37.049 Nice. 01:04:37.245 --> 01:04:37.455 Yeah. 01:04:37.635 --> 01:04:39.135 So we're, I'm like, okay, let's go down there. 01:04:39.135 --> 01:04:40.245 We've never been down there. 01:04:40.545 --> 01:04:44.622 So I'm sitting there and then I sit next to this girl, however, never 01:04:44.622 --> 01:04:46.542 talked to before and she's really cool. 01:04:46.932 --> 01:04:51.462 So we start talking 'cause she's, I'm getting all this information and then I 01:04:51.462 --> 01:04:58.035 had a vision about the hotel a week before and I said something about it, but I 01:04:58.035 --> 01:04:59.625 didn't tell her 'cause I didn't know her. 01:05:00.125 --> 01:05:04.379 But then she starts to tell me the information about this vision that I and 01:05:04.379 --> 01:05:08.292 I was like, that's the exact information that I needed to validate what I saw. 01:05:08.802 --> 01:05:13.272 And she had seen it because she was down there doing her own little session 01:05:13.752 --> 01:05:14.772 and she's like, this is what I got. 01:05:14.922 --> 01:05:18.839 And I was like, that's exactly the information that I need for me to 01:05:18.839 --> 01:05:22.529 know, like what the next step is with this vision and why I got it, and 01:05:22.529 --> 01:05:28.055 I was thinking, so what stuff had to happen for me to get downstairs? 01:05:28.085 --> 01:05:31.885 Then I had to do this whole loop-de-loop to get to that one 01:05:31.885 --> 01:05:36.529 spot so that she could tell me in two sentences what I needed to know. 01:05:36.885 --> 01:05:37.239 Yeah, 01:05:37.318 --> 01:05:37.619 yeah. 01:05:38.099 --> 01:05:43.415 Then it got even weirder because then this historian person that does tour 01:05:43.415 --> 01:05:48.702 guides in two hotels, she comes down and she's like, Hey, what's up you guys? 01:05:49.049 --> 01:05:52.375 And I'm like, Hey, I just got this information from her 01:05:52.875 --> 01:05:55.895 about this area, is this true? 01:05:56.395 --> 01:05:57.555 Tell me the history behind it. 01:05:57.705 --> 01:06:00.105 And then she gave me the rest of the information. 01:06:00.552 --> 01:06:00.975 Yeah. 01:06:01.062 --> 01:06:07.062 And I was like, how Like that is some crazy ash time dilation shit right there. 01:06:07.432 --> 01:06:07.922 That is. 01:06:08.422 --> 01:06:09.982 And that's not the first time that's happened. 01:06:10.286 --> 01:06:14.546 So me and Stephanie, always, if anything says go somewhere, do something, 01:06:14.786 --> 01:06:21.449 talk to somebody, we do it because, but what is is that sentience? 01:06:21.539 --> 01:06:28.374 Is that us just looking for answers and then projecting it out into the world. 01:06:28.874 --> 01:06:29.234 Yeah. 01:06:29.734 --> 01:06:29.944 Yeah. 01:06:29.944 --> 01:06:32.854 And then you get into the whole future me and past me and all that because 01:06:32.854 --> 01:06:33.924 Yeah, exactly. 01:06:34.227 --> 01:06:38.117 We've gotten into going back and looking at, or going back and listening to Estes 01:06:38.247 --> 01:06:43.817 sessions from a year or two years ago and then like the message is completely clear 01:06:44.327 --> 01:06:47.717 now that you have context from the future, you know what I mean? 01:06:47.717 --> 01:06:49.034 So that's a thing. 01:06:49.327 --> 01:06:50.277 Yeah, yeah. 01:06:50.277 --> 01:06:53.667 That happens to us all the time where we, in the moment we're 01:06:53.667 --> 01:06:55.437 like, this makes no sense. 01:06:55.437 --> 01:06:56.877 Three years later it makes sense. 01:06:57.377 --> 01:07:00.577 And speaking of directions, I'll try to make this really quick. 01:07:01.077 --> 01:07:05.097 We did an Estes session at our house in the middle of the night, and 01:07:05.097 --> 01:07:08.817 we got something along the lines of the meat, don't bring the meat. 01:07:09.790 --> 01:07:11.247 Oh God, don't bring the meat. 01:07:11.247 --> 01:07:12.057 It'll spoil 01:07:12.327 --> 01:07:13.197 something, whatever. 01:07:13.257 --> 01:07:14.247 And, and then we, 01:07:14.292 --> 01:07:15.297 why would we bring meat? 01:07:15.302 --> 01:07:15.832 First of all, 01:07:16.452 --> 01:07:17.052 it's weird. 01:07:17.382 --> 01:07:18.342 This is, this will pay off. 01:07:18.462 --> 01:07:22.272 And then we got directions that we're like, like the road further 01:07:22.272 --> 01:07:24.882 up the road, there's a sign. 01:07:25.212 --> 01:07:26.809 It's upside down. 01:07:27.089 --> 01:07:27.419 Yeah. 01:07:27.449 --> 01:07:30.479 There's a inter intersection across from the sign. 01:07:30.569 --> 01:07:33.749 So anyway, we get that and we're like, wow, that seemed, we had 01:07:33.749 --> 01:07:36.554 really specific instructions, but it doesn't mean anything. 01:07:36.554 --> 01:07:36.564 So. 01:07:37.064 --> 01:07:37.754 I don't remember. 01:07:37.964 --> 01:07:39.314 Was it a week after maybe 01:07:39.794 --> 01:07:40.004 maybe. 01:07:40.024 --> 01:07:41.159 It was the next day or the next? 01:07:41.164 --> 01:07:41.824 It was the next day. 01:07:41.824 --> 01:07:42.484 It was the next day. 01:07:42.984 --> 01:07:47.294 So the next day we go to our outdoor area and we're, we get outta the car 01:07:47.294 --> 01:07:50.504 and we're starting to walk into the woods and first thing we see is we see 01:07:50.504 --> 01:07:52.719 a Turkey carcass hanging on a tree. 01:07:53.219 --> 01:07:53.509 Okay. 01:07:54.009 --> 01:07:55.779 So we don't need to bring the meats already there. 01:07:55.779 --> 01:07:56.109 Whatever. 01:07:56.109 --> 01:07:57.039 Take that however you want. 01:07:57.539 --> 01:07:57.629 Yeah. 01:07:57.629 --> 01:08:02.019 Anyway, we're walking further up the road and there's a lot of 01:08:02.019 --> 01:08:03.219 stuff that they're doing up there. 01:08:03.219 --> 01:08:05.169 They're moving land around a lot. 01:08:05.669 --> 01:08:07.979 There's a stream nearby that was flooding and they're trying 01:08:07.979 --> 01:08:09.539 to alleviate that problem. 01:08:09.539 --> 01:08:14.479 So we're walking up the road and we're trying to think like, all 01:08:14.479 --> 01:08:16.369 right, we got something last night. 01:08:16.399 --> 01:08:18.889 Let's look around the environment, see if any of this makes sense. 01:08:18.919 --> 01:08:20.569 Sure enough, we find a posted sign. 01:08:20.719 --> 01:08:25.879 The top nail had come off the posted sign and the posted sign fell down upside down. 01:08:26.379 --> 01:08:30.059 Right across from the posted sign was an area they cut into the 01:08:30.059 --> 01:08:31.919 bank to get across the stream. 01:08:32.449 --> 01:08:34.099 That's pretty much that story. 01:08:34.459 --> 01:08:35.539 And we just thought it was weird. 01:08:35.539 --> 01:08:36.859 It meant something to us. 01:08:36.979 --> 01:08:38.929 I don't know if we're reaching or what, but 01:08:39.139 --> 01:08:40.009 No, you're not reaching. 01:08:40.009 --> 01:08:41.359 I'm just wondering what is that? 01:08:41.359 --> 01:08:42.529 Is that sentience? 01:08:42.949 --> 01:08:47.919 Is that time dilation or is that our future self telling us something? 01:08:47.919 --> 01:08:51.799 Or it could just be our higher selves, like clueing us in. 01:08:51.799 --> 01:08:52.719 But what is it? 01:08:53.102 --> 01:08:56.512 Now we go back, what, two, three weeks ago to the same place? 01:08:56.602 --> 01:08:56.752 Yeah. 01:08:57.022 --> 01:09:03.032 And in that area where the sign was across the water, there is, we don't 01:09:03.032 --> 01:09:06.572 know what's there, but it looks like rocks at the very least, possibly a cave. 01:09:07.146 --> 01:09:07.206 Yeah. 01:09:07.706 --> 01:09:09.896 And so we had gone back, it was snow. 01:09:09.926 --> 01:09:13.066 There was like definitely a foot of snow on the ground. 01:09:13.066 --> 01:09:16.966 So you're not like stepping on branches like you're really quiet walking. 01:09:17.466 --> 01:09:18.066 So. 01:09:18.566 --> 01:09:22.916 We're standing there and we're walking out and we start hearing noises so we stop. 01:09:23.416 --> 01:09:27.586 It was like something was breaking, like there's been a branch, like a tree, like 01:09:27.646 --> 01:09:27.796 Yeah. 01:09:27.856 --> 01:09:28.816 getting trees. 01:09:28.816 --> 01:09:30.496 It was like snapping them. 01:09:30.586 --> 01:09:30.736 Yep. 01:09:31.236 --> 01:09:33.816 And you could hear it like moving then snapping 01:09:33.966 --> 01:09:34.566 and rocks 01:09:34.626 --> 01:09:35.406 and then moving. 01:09:35.406 --> 01:09:41.056 Yeah, there were like rock sounds and tree snapping and we're like, what is going on? 01:09:41.386 --> 01:09:44.476 And thankfully like we have the snow, so if there is something, 01:09:44.476 --> 01:09:45.616 it's gonna be easy to see. 01:09:45.616 --> 01:09:45.676 Yeah. 01:09:45.706 --> 01:09:49.296 But we couldn't see anything and then we ended up just leaving because 01:09:49.296 --> 01:09:51.366 we were like, what is going on? 01:09:51.486 --> 01:09:53.286 And you're like, it can't be a bear. 01:09:53.286 --> 01:09:57.216 'cause how is a break bear breaking something and it's not something 01:09:57.216 --> 01:10:00.396 on the ground that it's stepping on because there's a foot of snow. 01:10:00.486 --> 01:10:02.706 We had a clear view too that we couldn't see anything. 01:10:02.736 --> 01:10:02.946 Yeah. 01:10:02.946 --> 01:10:04.206 But we had a clear view right through. 01:10:04.206 --> 01:10:05.406 So it was just is odd. 01:10:05.586 --> 01:10:05.946 Yeah. 01:10:06.446 --> 01:10:06.656 But 01:10:06.796 --> 01:10:08.326 Almost sounds like something that Bigfoot would do. 01:10:08.986 --> 01:10:09.646 That's what I said 01:10:09.726 --> 01:10:12.069 Rock clapping and the snapping. 01:10:12.569 --> 01:10:12.859 Yeah. 01:10:13.359 --> 01:10:17.749 The only other thing I was gonna ask is before you said the rock clapping. 01:10:17.759 --> 01:10:17.769 Mm-hmm. 01:10:18.129 --> 01:10:22.569 But with the trees then, now that it's getting warmer out, it's not like the 01:10:22.569 --> 01:10:27.059 wood from being swelled up, making the, the crackling sound like, or 01:10:27.059 --> 01:10:31.109 There was definitely shuffling going on with the two, like something was waffing 01:10:31.109 --> 01:10:32.579 around, we just couldn't see anything. 01:10:32.579 --> 01:10:34.466 We couldn't see big animal or something. 01:10:34.466 --> 01:10:35.246 We just couldn't see it. 01:10:35.746 --> 01:10:38.626 And now go back to what I was saying about the DNA thing. 01:10:38.836 --> 01:10:43.356 It's like, how come some of us may not see it, but then other, and then 01:10:43.626 --> 01:10:45.036 somebody else could actually see it. 01:10:45.536 --> 01:10:45.866 Yeah. 01:10:46.366 --> 01:10:47.991 So I'll give you guys an example. 01:10:48.346 --> 01:10:52.366 I don't know if I shared it with Heather on her podcast or whatever, or chats 01:10:52.366 --> 01:10:59.166 in general, but, so I have this weird thing where it, if you were to talk to me 01:10:59.166 --> 01:11:01.326 about the paranormal, I will gladly say. 01:11:01.826 --> 01:11:06.026 No doubt that there's something strange going on with the paranormal 01:11:06.146 --> 01:11:11.146 side, but as soon as the cryptic side comes into play with me, I'm like 01:11:11.146 --> 01:11:14.116 more skeptical in that area than I am. 01:11:14.116 --> 01:11:14.176 Yeah. 01:11:14.596 --> 01:11:21.986 And now is that because maybe that's where my brain is trying to be more open-minded 01:11:21.986 --> 01:11:26.896 about everything in the skeptical that comes along with it, so maybe that's 01:11:26.896 --> 01:11:29.086 why it's not allowed me to see it? 01:11:29.326 --> 01:11:36.746 Or is it just like I, again, my DNA is programmed to maybe not have that sort 01:11:36.746 --> 01:11:39.146 of experience, if that makes any sense? 01:11:39.646 --> 01:11:39.916 Yeah, 01:11:40.416 --> 01:11:45.146 Because when I've been out in the woods, I don't know how many times I can say if I 01:11:45.176 --> 01:11:50.746 did have some sort of weird crypted thing going on, maybe because of the fact that 01:11:50.746 --> 01:11:53.686 I'm part deaf, it wasn't clicking to me. 01:11:53.686 --> 01:11:55.859 So maybe the damn. 01:11:56.359 --> 01:11:58.179 Crypted it like, well screw you then. 01:11:58.179 --> 01:12:01.543 I'm not gonna try to give you attention now, blah, blah, blah. 01:12:02.003 --> 01:12:05.335 But then if I go back, trying to think, like with all the times 01:12:05.335 --> 01:12:11.025 I'm out there, I don't recall any sort of weird sound or anything. 01:12:11.025 --> 01:12:11.445 But 01:12:11.815 --> 01:12:11.955 Yeah. 01:12:11.955 --> 01:12:17.815 Then again, it maybe goes back to how we were describing with, if it's 01:12:17.815 --> 01:12:20.005 pulling from our brain beforehand. 01:12:20.505 --> 01:12:24.735 Maybe that's why I haven't had a crypted encounter yet. 01:12:25.235 --> 01:12:25.445 Yeah. 01:12:26.188 --> 01:12:27.928 I think it's harder to accept a crypted too. 01:12:27.928 --> 01:12:28.018 Yeah. 01:12:28.018 --> 01:12:29.488 It's physical, that's why, 01:12:29.488 --> 01:12:29.788 right? 01:12:29.878 --> 01:12:30.148 Yeah. 01:12:30.648 --> 01:12:36.298 Not just that, but I also think I'll just say community where like when it 01:12:36.298 --> 01:12:39.478 comes to the bigfoot thing where you got one side that's, oh yeah, it's 01:12:39.478 --> 01:12:42.748 flesh and blood, and then you got this other one where it's the woo. 01:12:43.108 --> 01:12:47.673 They can cloak and go into portals and stuff, and. 01:12:48.267 --> 01:12:52.990 Now when I talk to everybody, people that believe it's 01:12:53.170 --> 01:12:55.210 portals, it can be this and that. 01:12:55.720 --> 01:13:00.340 I always go back to the example, which I can finally say now with more 01:13:00.340 --> 01:13:06.100 clarity, that there was this photo that used to be going around from 01:13:06.100 --> 01:13:11.490 Wisconsin, from this open field during the snow time where it's tracks. 01:13:11.490 --> 01:13:15.750 We lean out into this open field, snow on the ground woods in the background, 01:13:15.750 --> 01:13:17.610 but they're quite a ways away. 01:13:17.970 --> 01:13:21.110 But this track stopped in the middle of the field. 01:13:21.610 --> 01:13:21.880 Yeah, 01:13:22.380 --> 01:13:24.300 and so where did they go? 01:13:24.800 --> 01:13:32.090 I bring up the counteracting question that some people claim that the what? 01:13:32.120 --> 01:13:36.440 Whatever cry that is doing this, they're smart enough to try to backtrack into 01:13:36.440 --> 01:13:38.270 their own track they already made. 01:13:38.750 --> 01:13:42.020 Okay, that sounds like they could, that. 01:13:42.520 --> 01:13:48.720 If it's snow, let's say for the example of this photo and the chat here, you're gonna 01:13:48.720 --> 01:13:50.790 have that double print no matter what. 01:13:51.290 --> 01:13:51.500 Yeah. 01:13:51.530 --> 01:13:56.320 But so even if we were to do that right, we could go test 01:13:56.320 --> 01:13:58.000 the, the in the snow right now. 01:13:58.270 --> 01:13:58.510 Yeah. 01:13:58.510 --> 01:14:02.490 Your, your prints are not gonna be perfect if you were to do that. 01:14:02.910 --> 01:14:03.840 Let's just face it. 01:14:04.340 --> 01:14:09.300 So unfortunately when it comes to me on this end, I'm in the 01:14:09.300 --> 01:14:12.660 boat of, there's gotta be more to them than just fleshing blood. 01:14:13.160 --> 01:14:18.660 And I don't know, maybe if when and if I have my own encounter in 01:14:18.660 --> 01:14:25.700 the near future, maybe that when my perspective of this can be a little 01:14:25.700 --> 01:14:29.050 bit more broader, if I can convey that. 01:14:29.550 --> 01:14:32.730 Yeah, you gotta witness, you have to witness it to process 01:14:32.730 --> 01:14:33.890 it and see where you stand. 01:14:33.890 --> 01:14:34.240 Yeah. 01:14:34.790 --> 01:14:37.760 I always make the joke that where the footprints end, that's where the 01:14:37.760 --> 01:14:39.350 alien spaceship came and took them. 01:14:40.300 --> 01:14:42.970 But if you're looking at a flesh and blood creature, right? 01:14:42.970 --> 01:14:43.060 Mm-hmm. 01:14:43.560 --> 01:14:44.460 Where are they living? 01:14:44.460 --> 01:14:45.600 Where are they getting their food? 01:14:45.870 --> 01:14:47.100 Where do they bury their dead? 01:14:47.600 --> 01:14:51.770 Why have we never found any remains from any cryptids? 01:14:51.790 --> 01:14:57.330 So every single one of them is doing something to not only hide from 01:14:57.330 --> 01:15:04.250 us consistently, but also remove every single instance of any one of 01:15:04.250 --> 01:15:07.040 their members that has passed on. 01:15:07.310 --> 01:15:10.640 So we never find them like nothing does that. 01:15:10.640 --> 01:15:16.010 Like you find skulls and bones and carcasses all the time in the woods 01:15:16.040 --> 01:15:18.080 of animals that we know exist. 01:15:18.410 --> 01:15:22.730 So how that our cryptids able to do things that these animals can't. 01:15:22.790 --> 01:15:25.670 So they have to have some type of paranormal aspect. 01:15:25.670 --> 01:15:26.610 Yeah, they got the blippies. 01:15:26.840 --> 01:15:27.305 Yeah. 01:15:27.305 --> 01:15:28.430 They blip in and they blip out 01:15:28.843 --> 01:15:29.728 that goes back to. 01:15:30.228 --> 01:15:32.598 Some people that will say, have you ever seen a dead bear? 01:15:33.098 --> 01:15:33.458 Oh, yeah. 01:15:33.458 --> 01:15:34.868 No, I, I was thinking that. 01:15:34.868 --> 01:15:36.908 While you guys we're, we're going back and forth here. 01:15:36.938 --> 01:15:37.688 Yeah, I know. 01:15:37.688 --> 01:15:41.048 But somebody definitely gonna throw that in no matter what. 01:15:41.438 --> 01:15:41.868 I've seen a dead bear. 01:15:41.868 --> 01:15:42.513 Have you seen a dead bear? 01:15:43.013 --> 01:15:43.193 Yeah. 01:15:43.193 --> 01:15:44.843 Because your uncle hunted? 01:15:45.083 --> 01:15:46.403 No, I've seen on the side of the road,. 01:15:46.493 --> 01:15:46.823 Pennsylvania. 01:15:47.323 --> 01:15:47.953 Okay. 01:15:47.953 --> 01:15:49.093 So who dragged it out? 01:15:49.593 --> 01:15:51.393 Or did it get hit by a car or a truck? 01:15:51.893 --> 01:15:52.253 Probably, 01:15:52.477 --> 01:15:55.947 . Yeah, I guess that would be the only time you would see a dead bear. 01:15:55.977 --> 01:15:57.180 But otherwise 01:15:57.460 --> 01:15:59.560 I've never encountered one in a walk in the woods. 01:15:59.860 --> 01:16:00.580 No, me either. 01:16:00.880 --> 01:16:03.280 And I think that's what people were trying to get, get at. 01:16:03.370 --> 01:16:07.960 But I think like the most I've ever seen it, like maybe a deer skull. 01:16:07.960 --> 01:16:08.020 Yeah. 01:16:08.520 --> 01:16:10.800 But it wasn't from a, the kill site. 01:16:11.010 --> 01:16:13.380 It wa it was moved from the kill site. 01:16:13.770 --> 01:16:18.980 Or maybe nature basically devoured the rest of it before this did. 01:16:18.980 --> 01:16:19.400 I don't know. 01:16:19.460 --> 01:16:19.670 Yeah. 01:16:19.760 --> 01:16:21.590 I can't validate that. 01:16:21.650 --> 01:16:24.530 I just know that the skull is the only thing I had found. 01:16:25.007 --> 01:16:25.185 Yep. 01:16:25.327 --> 01:16:27.997 But of course when I was little, when that happened, of course 01:16:27.997 --> 01:16:29.317 I'm like, where's the rest of it? 01:16:29.317 --> 01:16:30.877 But I'm not gonna go looking for it. 01:16:31.377 --> 01:16:31.677 Nope. 01:16:32.177 --> 01:16:34.907 Just based on my own research, and again, this is just on my own research 01:16:34.907 --> 01:16:39.157 and I have not researched everything, so there's a lot to be left by the wayside. 01:16:39.457 --> 01:16:44.807 But I just feel, or just sort I've experienced is that there's clusters, 01:16:44.987 --> 01:16:48.347 like places that have phenomenon, they have all the phenomenons, 01:16:48.347 --> 01:16:49.907 just not just one phenomenon. 01:16:49.967 --> 01:16:50.087 Yeah. 01:16:50.087 --> 01:16:53.537 If you have ghosts in an area and you're going to have cryptids 01:16:53.537 --> 01:16:57.107 and you're going to have UFOs, they're all the same phenomenon. 01:16:57.497 --> 01:17:02.797 I, I think it's just how people experience it or how they witness it, or I've 01:17:02.797 --> 01:17:08.487 considered that, that maybe the UFOs look for those places or they, because 01:17:08.487 --> 01:17:13.047 whatever's there, there's something important there or some, I don't know. 01:17:13.047 --> 01:17:14.067 I'm still trying to figure it out. 01:17:14.067 --> 01:17:17.547 It's like a beacon to them and they can just like we go here. 01:17:17.957 --> 01:17:18.777 Or bigfoot's just an alien. 01:17:19.157 --> 01:17:21.277 And that, oh my, oh God. 01:17:21.277 --> 01:17:25.157 Have you guys seen that new documentary from David Paulides? 01:17:25.427 --> 01:17:30.517 I just, it's on my, like what's next kind of thing on when 01:17:30.517 --> 01:17:32.647 they suggest things on Amazon. 01:17:32.652 --> 01:17:36.962 Have, have you guys also maybe watch, it's on YouTube so you 01:17:36.962 --> 01:17:38.432 can watch this one for free. 01:17:38.822 --> 01:17:45.822 But he did a segment for a Flash of Beauty and what caught me to watch 01:17:45.822 --> 01:17:49.842 this video was the, you know how if you hover over a video for so long, it 01:17:49.872 --> 01:17:51.582 starts to play like a little clip of it. 01:17:52.082 --> 01:17:57.242 The first thing out of this little clip, before I actually had said, okay, now I'm 01:17:57.242 --> 01:18:02.572 curious, was David Paulides opened up the video and said, I don't, I'm not gonna say 01:18:02.572 --> 01:18:06.982 in quote because I really don't remember how he worded it, but he basically 01:18:06.982 --> 01:18:11.222 was trying to bring it across as well. 01:18:11.722 --> 01:18:14.962 One thing I find interesting because that's how David usually 01:18:14.962 --> 01:18:16.732 talks and what I find interesting. 01:18:17.232 --> 01:18:22.322 And then he, then he goes, what if Bigfoot is a fallen angel? 01:18:22.412 --> 01:18:23.842 And I said, what? 01:18:24.342 --> 01:18:27.582 I said, of course I had to play it because that just sounds ridiculous. 01:18:27.822 --> 01:18:32.702 But after watching that little segment and listening to a few other 01:18:32.702 --> 01:18:35.892 things, it just makes you go, huh. 01:18:36.392 --> 01:18:40.822 And that's all I'm gonna say because it's that odd and it's just at 01:18:40.822 --> 01:18:42.382 the same time, it's just goes. 01:18:42.882 --> 01:18:46.722 But it makes sense that you look at the woo side of Bigfoot. 01:18:47.222 --> 01:18:50.442 I've heard there's a theory that the Bigfoot are just the leftover  Nephilim. 01:18:51.472 --> 01:18:54.847 And a lot of people would say, no, they're not Nephilim. 01:18:55.037 --> 01:18:59.337 I know, but it's a prevailing theory that they're the leftovers of  Nephilim. 01:18:59.727 --> 01:18:59.877 yeah. 01:19:00.027 --> 01:19:01.377 That is so interesting. 01:19:01.617 --> 01:19:01.857 Yeah. 01:19:02.357 --> 01:19:02.647 Yeah. 01:19:03.147 --> 01:19:03.537 Sure. 01:19:03.627 --> 01:19:04.317 I know. 01:19:04.817 --> 01:19:04.997 Yeah. 01:19:05.002 --> 01:19:05.222 It just, 01:19:05.362 --> 01:19:05.702 but yeah, 01:19:06.202 --> 01:19:07.732 I don't, we have UFO people. 01:19:07.942 --> 01:19:10.192 We have big sub people and we have paranormal people all, and 01:19:10.192 --> 01:19:11.782 there's hardly ever any crossover. 01:19:11.782 --> 01:19:12.742 But I'm like, why? 01:19:13.242 --> 01:19:15.912 Because like to me it's all the same. 01:19:16.002 --> 01:19:16.477 Yeah, yeah. 01:19:16.572 --> 01:19:18.252 When you have one, you're gonna have the other. 01:19:18.252 --> 01:19:20.277 So why are we parsing it out like that? 01:19:20.427 --> 01:19:20.717 Yeah. 01:19:20.772 --> 01:19:24.192 Why are you not studying it as one complete theory? 01:19:24.282 --> 01:19:25.392 Because it is, 01:19:25.482 --> 01:19:27.882 nobody wants to look at it like that though, I don't think. 01:19:28.182 --> 01:19:29.172 Because they want it. 01:19:29.672 --> 01:19:33.362 When you start talking about the woo, right, for the Bigfoot side, once you 01:19:33.362 --> 01:19:36.332 start talking about that, nobody want to listen to you because they want 01:19:36.332 --> 01:19:37.802 to keep it in the flesh and blood. 01:19:38.102 --> 01:19:40.472 So that way the scientists will look at it. 01:19:40.487 --> 01:19:40.837 Right. 01:19:40.922 --> 01:19:45.142 Because once you start talking paranormal, nobody wants to look at it. 01:19:45.142 --> 01:19:45.202 Yeah. 01:19:45.592 --> 01:19:47.662 Because it's no longer flesh and blood. 01:19:47.662 --> 01:19:48.412 I'm just gonna say. 01:19:48.472 --> 01:19:51.322 'cause I don't know any other way to, to end it, that talk, 01:19:51.412 --> 01:19:54.082 but, but I also heard recently. 01:19:54.592 --> 01:19:59.652 Sometimes some scientists are actually looking at the theory of everything, 01:19:59.742 --> 01:20:01.482 whether it be paranormal or not. 01:20:01.752 --> 01:20:10.722 So I think the way we talk about it and bring certain diagrams up or theory that 01:20:11.222 --> 01:20:16.132 actually sound logical enough that it gets the sounds down legit, then I think they 01:20:16.132 --> 01:20:18.802 could maybe appreciate that woo side more. 01:20:18.802 --> 01:20:21.502 But for right now, they just want flesh and blood. 01:20:22.002 --> 01:20:22.392 For sure. 01:20:22.782 --> 01:20:23.112 Yeah. 01:20:23.612 --> 01:20:26.642 I watched a podcast or listened to a podcast, I don't remember what it 01:20:26.642 --> 01:20:32.482 was, but they had the theory that they were like connecting like Bigfoot 01:20:32.932 --> 01:20:35.482 activity and poltergeist activity. 01:20:35.872 --> 01:20:36.202 Oh yeah. 01:20:36.202 --> 01:20:39.832 And saying, Poltergeist activity is just Bigfoot activity inside. 01:20:40.252 --> 01:20:43.372 Like how sim, how there's such similarities. 01:20:43.732 --> 01:20:45.562 And I was like, that's interesting. 01:20:45.592 --> 01:20:46.282 You know what you're talking about? 01:20:46.282 --> 01:20:46.842 The rocks? 01:20:46.872 --> 01:20:49.902 They say that the rocks that bigfoot will throw, when people pick them up. 01:20:49.902 --> 01:20:50.862 They're often warm. 01:20:51.027 --> 01:20:51.247 Yes. 01:20:51.347 --> 01:20:55.782 And that's also common with Poltergeist, like objects that are manipulated 01:20:56.282 --> 01:20:57.692 through Poltergeist activity. 01:20:57.902 --> 01:20:59.402 They often, they're often warm. 01:20:59.792 --> 01:21:00.182 Yeah. 01:21:00.332 --> 01:21:00.602 Yeah. 01:21:00.602 --> 01:21:04.392 But see, I think that psychokinesis is Poltergeist. 01:21:04.392 --> 01:21:06.802 Like I really do believe that it tracks. 01:21:07.232 --> 01:21:08.852 We're doing it, but then that. 01:21:08.852 --> 01:21:09.152 Oh, totally 01:21:09.502 --> 01:21:11.432 leads into then bigfoot is us. 01:21:11.972 --> 01:21:12.842 So what do we think? 01:21:13.192 --> 01:21:14.452 You just came full circle 01:21:14.792 --> 01:21:15.022 Of course. 01:21:15.472 --> 01:21:15.952 Yeah. 01:21:16.452 --> 01:21:17.832 There's an excellent book out there. 01:21:17.832 --> 01:21:20.292 I think it's called The Pol Guy Phenomenon or something. 01:21:20.382 --> 01:21:21.312 I would book that up. 01:21:21.612 --> 01:21:21.792 Yeah, 01:21:21.792 --> 01:21:22.327 that's really good. 01:21:22.827 --> 01:21:23.427 Yeah, that's a good book. 01:21:23.927 --> 01:21:24.947 That's the whole thing. 01:21:25.157 --> 01:21:27.617 And then what is that, like an evolutionary thing? 01:21:27.677 --> 01:21:33.834 So that means bigfoot is us or something that is like us and that, is that flesh 01:21:33.834 --> 01:21:39.624 and blood, or is that not because, or is it, are they just the side of 01:21:39.624 --> 01:21:42.954 ourselves that is just predominantly the, 01:21:43.454 --> 01:21:48.114 like it would be what, the more psychic side of ourselves, right? 01:21:48.114 --> 01:21:50.504 Well, I mean, we can all be psychic. 01:21:50.594 --> 01:21:56.434 It's just a matter of how open, as I can say that maybe to it. 01:21:56.734 --> 01:21:59.944 If we are, if we're, I think somebody was trying to mention it before, 01:21:59.944 --> 01:22:03.414 I forget who would mentioning it, but like, how do I wanna word it? 01:22:03.914 --> 01:22:08.824 If you start to recognize it, you want to push forward with it, but 01:22:08.974 --> 01:22:14.654 the moment that you subside it, then it starts to, it's like that lower 01:22:14.654 --> 01:22:16.784 vibration, you're not with it anymore. 01:22:16.784 --> 01:22:21.404 It's being suppressed I guess would be a good way where, uh, once you notice 01:22:21.674 --> 01:22:28.819 it, you can open yourself more to it to then allow it to be more of a higher. 01:22:29.319 --> 01:22:31.779 Frequency, I think is how it would work better. 01:22:31.779 --> 01:22:33.909 You might know the better answer than me. 01:22:34.409 --> 01:22:37.889 Everything I think about is just in my head, it's not it's theory. 01:22:37.889 --> 01:22:41.219 And then I look for like, I'm always like, let me find something to justify 01:22:41.219 --> 01:22:44.599 this stupid thought that I go down rabbit holes that I forgot what I was 01:22:44.599 --> 01:22:46.399 thinking about in the first place. 01:22:46.909 --> 01:22:52.269 But in my mind, the more you interact with the phenomenon, the more you 01:22:52.269 --> 01:22:53.649 start to mirror the phenomenon. 01:22:53.859 --> 01:22:57.339 And then after a while, if you go down too many rabbit holes, all you're doing 01:22:57.339 --> 01:22:58.599 is just interacting with yourself. 01:22:58.652 --> 01:23:01.622 And that's freaky to me because I've done it. 01:23:01.772 --> 01:23:05.729 Because like I, especially with synchronicity, the more you 01:23:05.729 --> 01:23:08.429 look into synchronicity and the more you follow synchronicity, 01:23:08.909 --> 01:23:09.869 the more you're creating it. 01:23:10.369 --> 01:23:10.489 Yeah. 01:23:10.549 --> 01:23:10.639 Mm-hmm. 01:23:10.909 --> 01:23:15.524 So at what point are you now the conductor of the synchronicity? 01:23:16.024 --> 01:23:16.534 You know what I mean? 01:23:16.594 --> 01:23:18.384 You may not start that. 01:23:18.384 --> 01:23:20.784 You might just start as the passenger, right. 01:23:20.784 --> 01:23:22.764 Just witnessing the phenomenon. 01:23:23.264 --> 01:23:24.644 Yeah, you might start 01:23:24.649 --> 01:23:25.579 and go back to this basically, 01:23:25.579 --> 01:23:25.819 right? 01:23:25.934 --> 01:23:28.454 You might be witnessing the phenomenon, but then somewhere 01:23:28.454 --> 01:23:29.714 you become the phenomenon. 01:23:29.744 --> 01:23:31.304 And so it's, I don't know. 01:23:31.304 --> 01:23:35.614 And that when to go back to what I was saying before, when we have these 01:23:35.614 --> 01:23:40.824 like things go down the stairs, do this look for the person in the red. 01:23:41.304 --> 01:23:42.354 It's very specific. 01:23:42.854 --> 01:23:46.894 Who is telling us that it's through, we did it through talking board. 01:23:46.894 --> 01:23:49.494 We've done it through different spirit boxes. 01:23:49.994 --> 01:23:53.834 Sometimes it's through another person, like just a medium saying something. 01:23:54.134 --> 01:23:55.664 But who is that person channeling? 01:23:55.694 --> 01:23:56.264 You know what I mean? 01:23:56.264 --> 01:23:57.434 Like where is it coming from? 01:23:57.464 --> 01:23:58.604 'cause it's so specific. 01:23:58.604 --> 01:24:02.004 And then once you, I mean you have to follow the, in 01:24:02.004 --> 01:24:03.474 order for the thing to happen. 01:24:03.474 --> 01:24:06.434 So many other things have to line up. 01:24:06.934 --> 01:24:11.014 So who is the conductor or is it just the magician? 01:24:11.014 --> 01:24:13.714 Like the Wizard of Oz? There's somebody pushing a lot of buttons 01:24:13.714 --> 01:24:15.184 in the background, but who is that? 01:24:15.684 --> 01:24:21.084 But then that goes back into, for all of us, when we maybe first had our first 01:24:21.584 --> 01:24:26.554 experiences, back to even what you're saying, who would the conducting it, why 01:24:26.554 --> 01:24:32.634 were they conducting that then to make us be, become more curious into the subject. 01:24:32.634 --> 01:24:36.924 Whereas if happened to everybody, and that's why we got the people that are 01:24:36.924 --> 01:24:38.634 like, oh, you're full of fucking shit. 01:24:38.694 --> 01:24:38.994 Yeah. 01:24:39.354 --> 01:24:42.174 And then you get people like us where we're just like, okay, remind 01:24:42.174 --> 01:24:46.634 me to keep my mouth shut around you because I can't talk about it to you. 01:24:46.634 --> 01:24:50.354 But then you've got people like all of us here where we can actually talk about it. 01:24:50.594 --> 01:24:53.414 So that goes back to what you're saying about the conductor, 01:24:53.444 --> 01:24:54.914 right Then who doing that? 01:24:55.034 --> 01:24:57.464 Why is, why are they doing that to us? 01:24:57.914 --> 01:24:59.444 When we weren't seeking it? 01:24:59.944 --> 01:25:01.144 It just came to us. 01:25:01.644 --> 01:25:05.304 See that's, I have a problem with that too because if you talk to any 01:25:05.304 --> 01:25:09.744 investigators who are really in this and who really get into it, not your people 01:25:09.744 --> 01:25:10.944 that are like, oh, fun blinking lights. 01:25:11.214 --> 01:25:13.584 But people who are like, really have been in the scene for 01:25:13.584 --> 01:25:14.964 a long time and don't stop. 01:25:15.464 --> 01:25:18.764 They will always tell you, yeah, it started when I was a kid, always. 01:25:19.264 --> 01:25:22.054 And it's then that kind of freaks me out a little bit too, and it's always 01:25:22.054 --> 01:25:26.044 around seven or eight, which freaks me out because if there's all these like 01:25:26.044 --> 01:25:31.344 very strong consistencies with it and then I'm like, huh, what does that mean? 01:25:31.844 --> 01:25:33.344 Who, so who's pulling the strings? 01:25:33.844 --> 01:25:35.974 Stephanie, did you have an experience around seven or eight? 01:25:36.474 --> 01:25:37.369 What kind of experience? 01:25:37.704 --> 01:25:39.144 Like any kind of parental experience? 01:25:39.644 --> 01:25:40.874 I was just thinking about that for a minute. 01:25:40.874 --> 01:25:44.594 I was just thinking it was like six or seven for me when 01:25:44.594 --> 01:25:46.454 I started to notice some stuff. 01:25:46.904 --> 01:25:47.204 Probably. 01:25:47.294 --> 01:25:53.294 Yeah, so like maybe seven, I would say for myself, 95 would be about seven years ago. 01:25:53.684 --> 01:25:54.014 Yeah. 01:25:54.514 --> 01:25:54.664 Yeah. 01:25:54.664 --> 01:25:55.054 Sorry. 01:25:55.534 --> 01:25:57.244 Just thinking about that from what you were just saying, 01:25:57.244 --> 01:25:58.504 about seven or eight years old, 01:25:59.014 --> 01:26:01.094 Her kid is, is talking to her real quick. 01:26:01.594 --> 01:26:02.824 But yeah, that's usually it. 01:26:02.884 --> 01:26:06.954 Or it's a traumatic event, but all that it can, if it's later on in life, 01:26:06.954 --> 01:26:09.624 like I've talked to people, that it starts to happen later on in life 01:26:09.984 --> 01:26:11.124 and it's always so traumatic event. 01:26:11.274 --> 01:26:12.324 Yeah, that makes sense. 01:26:12.564 --> 01:26:15.294 I what if funny anybody's ever experienced, sorry, this 01:26:15.294 --> 01:26:16.344 is a social worker in me. 01:26:16.674 --> 01:26:20.484 I wonder if anybody has ever researched like the correlation between people 01:26:20.484 --> 01:26:24.234 experiencing paranormal activity and what their ACEs score is, their 01:26:24.234 --> 01:26:26.214 adverse childhood experience score. 01:26:26.634 --> 01:26:30.234 I wonder if anybody's ever connected that to see if there's some type of 01:26:30.534 --> 01:26:32.509 correlation between those two things. 01:26:33.009 --> 01:26:33.509 Oh, interesting. 01:26:33.569 --> 01:26:34.984 Not that I've known, right? 01:26:34.984 --> 01:26:35.254 Yeah. 01:26:35.754 --> 01:26:37.704 But did you have anything happen to you around that time? 01:26:38.204 --> 01:26:44.134 So when we did the interview with Josh, we had talked about near death experiences. 01:26:44.634 --> 01:26:45.264 Yeah, I don't remember. 01:26:45.514 --> 01:26:46.534 Remind me, I'm sorry. 01:26:46.824 --> 01:26:47.584 Almost asleep right now. 01:26:47.644 --> 01:26:54.374 Yeah, so when I was three or four I almost drowned and then, but around 01:26:54.374 --> 01:26:57.334 seven or eight, that's like second grade. 01:26:57.834 --> 01:27:01.404 My parents were divorcing, so there was the trauma around that. 01:27:01.734 --> 01:27:07.174 But I do remember sitting in class and I don't know, we were doing some 01:27:07.174 --> 01:27:11.624 activity where you had to move around to the different chairs and you 01:27:11.624 --> 01:27:15.644 know there there's always like the outcasted weird kid that nobody likes. 01:27:16.064 --> 01:27:19.304 I remember girls like sitting in his chair, like spraying 01:27:19.304 --> 01:27:20.474 themselves down, right? 01:27:20.474 --> 01:27:23.414 Like they were pretending they had Lysol or whatever. 01:27:23.444 --> 01:27:26.444 They were clearing themselves from the cooties. 01:27:26.714 --> 01:27:31.004 And I remember seeing him, and I guess maybe that's when like my empathy 01:27:31.154 --> 01:27:35.864 kicked in or that sense, because I could see like the mental distress. 01:27:36.364 --> 01:27:42.354 An emotional distress in him of what they were doing and how they 01:27:42.354 --> 01:27:45.234 didn't acknowledge that what they were doing was affecting him. 01:27:45.734 --> 01:27:47.344 I remember that. 01:27:47.844 --> 01:27:48.054 Yeah. 01:27:48.054 --> 01:27:49.224 It's like a coping mechanism. 01:27:49.224 --> 01:27:49.734 Empathy. 01:27:49.944 --> 01:27:52.754 'cause you, you dealt with that, right? 01:27:53.054 --> 01:27:55.904 In a way, and if you looking at me, you're wondering where I'm going with 01:27:55.904 --> 01:27:59.674 this, but you build that sense of empathy, like greater and greater with 01:27:59.674 --> 01:28:00.964 the more trauma you've gone through. 01:28:01.024 --> 01:28:04.134 It's almost like a, not a coping mechanism, but what's 01:28:04.134 --> 01:28:05.604 the word I'm looking for here? 01:28:05.634 --> 01:28:06.504 Help me out here, gab. 01:28:07.004 --> 01:28:09.559 I don't know, but I see where you're going with it. 01:28:10.069 --> 01:28:10.489 I can. 01:28:10.494 --> 01:28:10.884 It's like 01:28:10.884 --> 01:28:11.244 some more, 01:28:11.244 --> 01:28:12.444 because it's always trauma. 01:28:12.714 --> 01:28:13.684 There's always trauma. 01:28:13.754 --> 01:28:15.164 There's always trauma, but it's, 01:28:15.224 --> 01:28:18.664 you're trying to guess what's coming next because for other people, 01:28:18.664 --> 01:28:21.804 keep yourself safe to know how to react before it happens. 01:28:21.849 --> 01:28:22.239 That's it. 01:28:22.444 --> 01:28:22.894 That's where I'm going. 01:28:22.894 --> 01:28:23.134 Yeah. 01:28:23.234 --> 01:28:23.414 Like. 01:28:23.914 --> 01:28:27.304 When people recognize people's walking patterns and they're like, 01:28:27.334 --> 01:28:30.034 oh, that's so and so coming down the hall, and they seem like they're in 01:28:30.034 --> 01:28:34.624 a good mood, so maybe it's safe, like people who can do things like that. 01:28:34.984 --> 01:28:35.404 Yeah, that's, 01:28:35.479 --> 01:28:37.654 I don't think, like you're talking about that kind of stuff. 01:28:37.714 --> 01:28:37.984 Yeah. 01:28:38.484 --> 01:28:41.954 Where you're like, when people consider like people to be empathic, 01:28:42.344 --> 01:28:45.284 what they're really talking about is people who are able to do that. 01:28:45.314 --> 01:28:49.724 People who have had learned how to read their environment to protect themselves. 01:28:50.224 --> 01:28:55.450 Someone is a true empath, they are clairentient, so there's like 01:28:55.510 --> 01:28:57.430 that difference between the two. 01:28:57.930 --> 01:28:58.050 Yeah. 01:28:58.050 --> 01:29:02.500 There is a correlation between hypervigilance and psychic abilities 01:29:02.690 --> 01:29:05.190 because you start to become predictive when you're  hypervigilant. 01:29:06.350 --> 01:29:09.020 But it's interesting for you, Stephanie, because you become more empathic, 01:29:09.290 --> 01:29:13.880 which makes you like super psychic in that like feeling, empathy, pre 01:29:13.880 --> 01:29:16.610 sentiment, knowing things in a way. 01:29:17.110 --> 01:29:20.620 It sounds like she can feel energy around her in a way. 01:29:21.120 --> 01:29:21.480 Yes. 01:29:21.480 --> 01:29:23.190 The energetic sensibility. 01:29:23.280 --> 01:29:23.610 I guess you 01:29:23.610 --> 01:29:24.330 can also like, 01:29:24.430 --> 01:29:25.560 like, clairesentance. 01:29:26.250 --> 01:29:27.000 Clairesentience. 01:29:27.140 --> 01:29:27.470 Yeah. 01:29:27.970 --> 01:29:31.540 But you also take on the, like the personalities of people sometimes 01:29:31.540 --> 01:29:33.550 too, from the empathy, right? 01:29:34.050 --> 01:29:37.490 Like a mirror image of the person throwing it back at them. 01:29:37.990 --> 01:29:40.440 I, yeah, I can, yeah. 01:29:40.530 --> 01:29:45.230 So some of the work that I've been doing is like acknowledging 01:29:45.730 --> 01:29:51.270 like that boundary between the, that emotional bleed that kind of 01:29:51.270 --> 01:29:54.500 happens between me and other people. 01:29:55.000 --> 01:29:58.270 Because yeah, like doing mediumship work or something like that. 01:29:58.630 --> 01:30:03.010 That's usually what I pick up on first is the feeling and the emotion. 01:30:03.510 --> 01:30:08.630 Of the, the person who has passed or, or how that relates 01:30:08.630 --> 01:30:11.050 to whoever's asking the question. 01:30:11.380 --> 01:30:19.710 And even when we did the seance years ago, that's what I picked up on, was like 01:30:19.770 --> 01:30:22.380 the emotion and the feeling in the body. 01:30:22.880 --> 01:30:25.070 It can be a blessing and a curse at the same time. 01:30:25.570 --> 01:30:25.870 Yeah. 01:30:26.370 --> 01:30:26.640 Yeah. 01:30:26.640 --> 01:30:30.890 So I've, I've gotten really good at knowing when it's my 01:30:30.890 --> 01:30:33.260 emotion, when it's something else. 01:30:33.760 --> 01:30:35.530 But we do a lot of, are you okay Stephanie? 01:30:35.560 --> 01:30:36.160 Are you okay? 01:30:36.160 --> 01:30:36.820 She says I'm fine. 01:30:37.120 --> 01:30:39.110 Like you weren't 30 seconds ago. 01:30:39.120 --> 01:30:39.900 She's like I'm good. 01:30:40.347 --> 01:30:42.557 Like turning it on and off because it's not her. 01:30:42.557 --> 01:30:42.617 Yeah. 01:30:42.707 --> 01:30:43.572 She knows it's not her. 01:30:43.607 --> 01:30:44.077 It's somebody. 01:30:44.587 --> 01:30:44.947 Yeah. 01:30:45.447 --> 01:30:50.097 So to your question, sup, like paranormal, as you think about paranormal. 01:30:50.607 --> 01:30:54.237 No, I, I don't know if I had an experience like that. 01:30:54.737 --> 01:31:01.177 It was more, I think a trauma response to my parental situation. 01:31:01.677 --> 01:31:03.327 That's very classic too though. 01:31:03.327 --> 01:31:05.487 It's like that's when the experiences start to happen. 01:31:05.487 --> 01:31:08.427 That's where whatever you're doing, that's when it kicks in. 01:31:08.927 --> 01:31:11.182 But this, but you're right, there always seems to be like something 01:31:11.242 --> 01:31:14.122 traumatic that happens beforehand or around it's the same time 01:31:14.622 --> 01:31:15.822 you're breaking up a little bit. 01:31:16.332 --> 01:31:21.332 Oh, I was saying it's, it's usually the paranormal starts to happen around 01:31:21.332 --> 01:31:22.862 the trauma around that same time. 01:31:22.862 --> 01:31:24.992 That's that second, third grade thing. 01:31:25.502 --> 01:31:28.202 But it's, there is a trauma aspect to it. 01:31:28.232 --> 01:31:32.872 There's always a, some kind of trigger brings it in full force. 01:31:33.372 --> 01:31:33.672 Yeah. 01:31:34.172 --> 01:31:34.567 But then again, 01:31:34.567 --> 01:31:35.972 yeah, I can definitely vouch on that. 01:31:36.472 --> 01:31:37.432 But who's the conductor? 01:31:37.432 --> 01:31:37.702 Then? 01:31:37.942 --> 01:31:40.212 Who are we creating these? 01:31:40.392 --> 01:31:41.712 This is where my brain goes. 01:31:42.162 --> 01:31:45.042 So is the child put upon us to force us to awaken? 01:31:45.542 --> 01:31:46.292 Did we choose it? 01:31:46.792 --> 01:31:51.212 So I don't remember where I heard it, but I'm pretty sure you guys have all 01:31:51.212 --> 01:31:55.882 heard it, the theory that like before we're born in this world, we supposedly 01:31:55.882 --> 01:31:58.702 already made like this contract deal. 01:31:59.202 --> 01:32:01.322 So maybe that's what it is. 01:32:01.712 --> 01:32:03.902 That's why I asked the question, because do you believe in that? 01:32:03.902 --> 01:32:04.472 Yeah, I know. 01:32:04.972 --> 01:32:05.932 Yeah, exactly. 01:32:06.112 --> 01:32:09.982 Because I don't, I don't, I think that we come in with like kind of an idea. 01:32:09.982 --> 01:32:13.332 It's like when you, it's like when you start a project, you have an idea of 01:32:13.332 --> 01:32:15.012 what you want and it always changes. 01:32:15.512 --> 01:32:16.682 I always feel like that. 01:32:16.682 --> 01:32:20.402 But then when you have these like things that happen to everybody who is in this 01:32:20.402 --> 01:32:23.552 field and you're like, wait a minute, I've heard this story before a hundred times. 01:32:23.552 --> 01:32:26.212 Because everybody told the same story, right? 01:32:26.302 --> 01:32:26.392 Right 01:32:26.662 --> 01:32:30.472 when I was this weird thing happened, or the near death experience or 01:32:30.772 --> 01:32:32.782 this traumatic thing happened, and then all of a sudden I, I'm 01:32:32.782 --> 01:32:33.922 awake into this other world. 01:32:33.922 --> 01:32:35.122 But who makes that decision? 01:32:35.122 --> 01:32:36.352 Are you making the decision? 01:32:36.852 --> 01:32:41.852 Is fit you making the decision or is this great man in the sky making the decision? 01:32:41.882 --> 01:32:42.782 The conductor. 01:32:42.782 --> 01:32:44.337 The who is it? 01:32:44.837 --> 01:32:45.467 The universe. 01:32:45.467 --> 01:32:45.737 Yeah, 01:32:45.947 --> 01:32:46.367 the universe. 01:32:46.397 --> 01:32:46.907 Um, 01:32:47.402 --> 01:32:49.547 I don't like to think that everything is pre-planned out 01:32:49.547 --> 01:32:50.297 for you, you know what I mean? 01:32:50.327 --> 01:32:50.567 Yeah. 01:32:50.567 --> 01:32:52.307 Like how much do we have control over? 01:32:52.337 --> 01:32:53.197 I hate that idea. 01:32:53.587 --> 01:32:54.877 We're all in a simulation. 01:32:54.877 --> 01:32:55.507 Come on now. 01:32:55.747 --> 01:32:56.017 Stop. 01:32:56.017 --> 01:32:56.077 Yeah. 01:32:56.327 --> 01:32:58.587 Uh oh, I didn't wanna bring it up, but I knew someone was gonna say it. 01:32:59.937 --> 01:33:01.077 You had to start it. 01:33:01.577 --> 01:33:02.057 Sorry. 01:33:02.557 --> 01:33:04.777 You're like you pushed the button in the simulation. 01:33:04.777 --> 01:33:07.237 I would like the trauma paranormal package, please. 01:33:07.737 --> 01:33:07.947 Yeah. 01:33:08.447 --> 01:33:12.317 And we can also touch on that in the way of also then how come certain 01:33:12.317 --> 01:33:19.237 people that if it is this deal contract before we are born, then how come. 01:33:19.687 --> 01:33:25.747 W what's the point of getting born then, if we're D we in, I'm 01:33:25.747 --> 01:33:26.887 trying to think of an example. 01:33:27.037 --> 01:33:32.557 We always hear sometimes where babies are born early and then they pass away because 01:33:32.587 --> 01:33:33.997 they just weren't developed enough. 01:33:34.177 --> 01:33:38.817 What would the point of that then we got people that are dying really young. 01:33:38.847 --> 01:33:39.807 What's the point of that? 01:33:39.807 --> 01:33:39.897 Then? 01:33:40.397 --> 01:33:44.807 What is, I guess what I'm saying is what is the point then if we're just 01:33:44.807 --> 01:33:51.397 coming in and only getting so much out of life before we are taken away 01:33:51.697 --> 01:33:58.087 and with the near death experiences at time, I feel like that is the only 01:33:58.087 --> 01:34:04.857 way to truly unlock a part of ourself that we weren't giving ourself fully 01:34:05.557 --> 01:34:08.077 into being unlocked at the time. 01:34:08.077 --> 01:34:12.577 So in a way it's like the universe saying, okay, since you're not reading the signs 01:34:12.607 --> 01:34:17.377 here, we're just going to give you this near death experience to then hopefully 01:34:17.407 --> 01:34:20.247 makes you understand and awaken more. 01:34:20.247 --> 01:34:21.397 As you were saying, Heather. 01:34:21.627 --> 01:34:22.197 I don't know. 01:34:22.257 --> 01:34:26.487 I don't wanna say this was a near death experience for me, but it was still weird. 01:34:26.577 --> 01:34:29.757 And why I survived it and how I survived it is weird. 01:34:29.817 --> 01:34:36.807 I know I text you guys it, but I guess for this conversation, so in 2006 I 01:34:36.807 --> 01:34:42.167 was at like a swimming hole around here and there was a person in front of 01:34:42.167 --> 01:34:44.867 me and it had rained the night prior. 01:34:45.137 --> 01:34:47.567 So the rocks were slippery to get to this water hole. 01:34:48.067 --> 01:34:54.187 How come then it this a dec case it, this is all weighed out plan for us. 01:34:54.687 --> 01:34:58.287 How come he was able to get down in one piece, but then when I tried to do 01:34:58.287 --> 01:35:07.697 it, I was the one to slip and basically turn 180 degrees in mid air and land 01:35:07.697 --> 01:35:09.617 on nothing but shallow water, and rock. 01:35:10.067 --> 01:35:13.247 But then I only get a sprained ankle and a couple cuts out of it. 01:35:13.747 --> 01:35:17.947 But I landed on the shallow water and the shallow rocks. 01:35:17.977 --> 01:35:23.377 Like I was sitting in a lawn chair, like my arms literally like they were on 01:35:23.377 --> 01:35:25.827 armrest and my feet were literally out. 01:35:25.827 --> 01:35:32.127 Like I was just laying on a lawn chair just sitting, but I'm talking about 01:35:32.127 --> 01:35:38.617 like a, I don't know, 10 to maybe 15 feet high up like boulder that where 01:35:38.617 --> 01:35:41.397 you, like I was saying, you have to climb down to get to the swimming hole. 01:35:41.467 --> 01:35:42.787 That just makes no sense to me. 01:35:43.287 --> 01:35:45.537 But one thing I do remember. 01:35:46.037 --> 01:35:52.327 Is when I was spinning in the 180 movement, I do remember that it felt 01:35:52.327 --> 01:35:57.267 like it was almost like slow motion, which was odd before I landed. 01:35:57.657 --> 01:36:02.787 So at that point in time, that's where I always wondered if it was like my 01:36:03.297 --> 01:36:08.667 guardian angel or maybe my father because he had passed in 2003 and that to 2006. 01:36:08.937 --> 01:36:13.017 Maybe he was there to shield me from taking that much damage. 01:36:13.047 --> 01:36:13.557 I don't know. 01:36:14.057 --> 01:36:16.787 I still wonder to this day how was able to survive it. 01:36:16.787 --> 01:36:20.897 And if anybody's wondering, no, I have not been back there because it's not like the 01:36:20.897 --> 01:36:23.357 PDSD from it, but it's just, what was it? 01:36:23.857 --> 01:36:26.887 Hurricane Irene destroyed that place pretty good. 01:36:26.887 --> 01:36:28.567 So not what it used to be. 01:36:29.067 --> 01:36:30.207 So that's why. 01:36:30.423 --> 01:36:32.523 I have a question before we end for you, Paul. 01:36:33.023 --> 01:36:33.293 Okay. 01:36:33.293 --> 01:36:34.943 Is it about the Goosebumps tattoo? 01:36:35.063 --> 01:36:37.073 No, but I do like, the goosebumps tattoo. 01:36:37.523 --> 01:36:42.493 The question is how do you think that being hard of hearing or 01:36:42.493 --> 01:36:47.033 partially deaf kind of works into or affects the work that you're 01:36:47.033 --> 01:36:48.653 doing within the paranormal field? 01:36:49.153 --> 01:36:53.183 It's like taking your, it's almost like taking your vision 01:36:53.303 --> 01:36:54.773 or your hearing away completely. 01:36:55.273 --> 01:37:00.733 You, if you lose something, you unlock that, whatever more, it becomes higher. 01:37:01.233 --> 01:37:02.223 I forget the word right now. 01:37:02.253 --> 01:37:05.403 Like if I would completely park deaf or whatever, it's like, then 01:37:05.553 --> 01:37:08.243 should I be able to see differently? 01:37:08.693 --> 01:37:11.663 If I would completely blind, I should be able to hear, what 01:37:11.663 --> 01:37:12.743 the hell do they call that? 01:37:13.243 --> 01:37:13.843 Oh my God. 01:37:13.843 --> 01:37:14.353 Sound. 01:37:14.473 --> 01:37:15.343 The sound echo. 01:37:15.343 --> 01:37:15.883 Oh my God. 01:37:16.273 --> 01:37:19.603 That escaping my mind right now where, what I'm trying to say, 01:37:19.633 --> 01:37:22.423 almost like an echo location, I think is what I'm trying get at. 01:37:22.428 --> 01:37:22.558 Okay. 01:37:22.558 --> 01:37:22.758 Yeah. 01:37:23.175 --> 01:37:23.465 Yeah. 01:37:23.850 --> 01:37:24.480 I don't know. 01:37:24.480 --> 01:37:25.140 It's weird. 01:37:25.200 --> 01:37:27.990 Like my right ear is worse than my left ear. 01:37:28.380 --> 01:37:34.340 So usually I always will be like, 'cause I can't understand what 01:37:34.340 --> 01:37:37.850 somebody's trying to say, I'll wean in with my left ear more than my right. 01:37:37.855 --> 01:37:37.925 Mm-hmm. 01:37:38.005 --> 01:37:39.920 Because this is my good side there. 01:37:39.920 --> 01:37:44.960 There was a time where somebody was talking to me, to my side here, but 01:37:45.200 --> 01:37:49.180 because I wasn't seeing them talking to me, they thought I was ignoring 01:37:49.180 --> 01:37:52.890 them until I was like, oh, you're actually trying to talk to me. 01:37:52.890 --> 01:37:55.050 Yeah, you have to be in front of me kind of thing. 01:37:55.550 --> 01:37:58.940 You can't just be talking and expect me to just turn around 01:37:58.970 --> 01:38:00.080 'cause I'm not like a normal. 01:38:07.939 --> 01:38:11.093 Don't forget to check us out at podcastoftheparanormal.com. 01:38:11.509 --> 01:38:14.749 You could find links to our social media, links to our episodes. 01:38:15.049 --> 01:38:17.989 You could stream right from the website, or you could listen at 01:38:17.989 --> 01:38:19.819 your favorite podcast provider. 01:38:20.089 --> 01:38:24.079 If you want to come on the show, use our contact form or you can email us at 01:38:24.079 --> 01:38:27.079 contact at podcast of the paranormal.com. 01:38:27.395 --> 01:38:28.535 Check out the show notes. 01:38:28.835 --> 01:38:33.065 We'll have links to NVus Alien Podcast and Haunted Vermont podcast 01:38:33.185 --> 01:38:34.145 if you wanna check them out. 01:38:34.535 --> 01:38:36.815 Hope you enjoyed the episode and thanks for listening.